Talk:Character model
Re: Hot Rod in G1 and Wreckers, what's the dividing line between "two different character models" and "same character drawn by different artists 18 years apart"? He just looks like the G1 character drawn in Khanna's style, to me. --Thylacine 2000 02:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- The stickers man, the stickers... Also Dan drew Hot Rod On-model in the Pax Cybertronia flashback, and gave him leg kibble he's never had before in the Beast Era. 193.200.150.23 02:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- To explain more clearly, in the pre-Maximal Upgrade flashbacks, Rodimus is drawn in his cartoon character model. In Wreckers' "present day," Rodimus suddenly has more vehicle detail and his toy stickers. It's explicitly a different body with a specific origin. --ItsWalky 03:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have the issue around somewhere- I'll make a side-by-side. -Derik 03:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Uh, yeah, I think this is a little beyond the actual issue of a "character model"... which is typically a series of drawings done so that the animation-monkeys earning five cents a day in Korea or wherever draw the same thing each cel and details hopefully stay consistent. Not "THIS IS HOW THE CHARACTER WILL LOOK IN EVERY INCARNATION". This is a generally badly-worded article. --M Sipher 02:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- Then com up with a term for 'different characters based on the same toy have different character models and and understood to actually 'look different'.' -Derik 02:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- Darik's right, we do need a word for how the character's fictional appearance, and Character Model often times refers to that as well as "official top-down company mandate of what a character is to look like in later media." As for Thylacine 2000's examples those were Artistic Freedom, but in the stories those comic panels were representing, the characters probobly matched their character models. 85.195.123.24 19:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- I thought that sounded weird, too. I don't see the Wreckers interpretation of Hot Rod to be a different model, its just a more 'toyetic' design by a different artist, as Thy said, some 18 years after the original cartoon/comic models. Dan's style didn't become a standard design that was used by other artists, was it? --FFN 03:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- Except it is representign a different incarnation-- Dan draws hi using his Sunbow model in the opening sequence set at the end of the great war, Hot rod mentions he's about to undergo the maximization process. In the 'present' of the Wreckers, rodimus is now much physically smaller, and he loks different (he has kibble on his legs, etc.) When he was downsized he retained the same type of car as his altmode, but his transformation pattern is now different so his robot mode looks somewhat different.
- When Rodimus Convoy became a Microtransformer in zone, his robot mode looked different too, the 'parts' were arranged differently even though his car-mode was the same.
- This is what happened in Wreckers as well-- ecept in Wreckers there's the added layer of confusion in that both his pre-maximization and post-maximization forms are 'represented' by the same toy. -Derik 03:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I lean strongly towards removing the Hot Rod section from this page and putting it on his character page. Do I hear strong objections to that? These are one artist's cosmetic touches and don't belong here. Look at Wildman's interpretations of Cheetor and BWMegs in "Omega Point," far bigger differences than Wrecker Rodimus. Look at Target:2006 where Galvatron IS the toy. Or the Joe/TF crossover where everybody has wires everywhere.
A proper "character model" is an official top-down company mandate of what a character is to look like in later media. It's what Dery and, later, Studio OX made and what all licensees at the time are expected to base their stuff on (and sometimes do so slavishly, thus why the same poses reappear, as mentioned in the Ravage article). It's what's in the TF:Generations book. Khanna's new Hot Rod style is not "the" new Hot Rod style, and if we include it here we'll have to include every crazy creative difference from every artist ever. --Thylacine 2000 13:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC) .......and I see it's already noted on his character page. Okay, gone. --Thylacine 2000 14:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- A proper "character model" is an official top-down company mandate of what a character is to look like in later media.
- It is? I thought it was just a piece of control art used by an artist. The guy who did the Japanese BW Manga did his own character model sheets to define how they look- we've seen a couple of them. It's where our only full-body image of Crow Convoy comes from.
- I assume Dan did a piece of control art for Rodimus Major, which would thus be his character model. Do you have anything to back up your definition that character models are top-down? Because I know when Steve-o discusses the wierd designs of some of the 1984 Autobots that appear in several coloring books, he says "they created their own character model." -Derik 23:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Rodimus Maximal Upgrade
His knee design has changed, the tires on his arms are oriented 90 degrees to where they used to be, he now has exhaust pipes on his legs as well, his pelvis is different an his head is somewhat more toyetic.
Also, his colors have shifted from the anime pink-and-orange to a toyetic red-and-orange, most noticeable on his hands which are now orange like the toy, not silver.
It's a different body, just one very similar to his old one... and maybe half as tall. Same artist, same story, same issue; different model.-Derik 03:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'd say his new body is about the same size. He's twice the size of Mini-Bots and the same height as as Devcon, after all. The Maximal Upgrade, in his case, perhaps at that early stage, only streamlined his transformation for efficiency, what with the no longer dismissing his kibble into Subspace or whatever. --ItsWalky 05:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
- The Mini-bots I may agree with you on- but Devcon's form at the end of #2 was a new 'maximized' body based on his hard-coded design schematics. So, like Rodimus, he's undergone the Maximal upgrade. -Derik 05:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
