Talk:Burn Out (Diaclone)

Does Burn Out really go in the "Female Transformer" category? She's female, but she's a piloted mech with an AI, and is in no way an actual Transformer except in outward appearance. --ItsWalky (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Nightbird is an AI and gets Female Transformer category. Should be listed under "Half-qualifiers" on list of Female Transformers and tagged Female Transformer on her page.

Well Nightbird was upgraded with Cybertronian tech in Legends. Burn Out is strictly an Earth mecha. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (EDT)

Soooo... anyone notice that they mad Burn Out a guy in the product description? Does this count towards anything, or...? BaronXVI (talk) 10:32, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

As much as any other editing flub in product copy for a character with an established gender, ie not much. -AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

That's making me wonder if Road Rocket's established gender getting switched to female was a mistake or not now, hmm... BaronXVI (talk) 10:45, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

The fact that that mold was explicitly designed as female is a more likely reason for that switch. --Khajidha (talk) 13:45, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

Split out Cybertronians from Diaclone mecha

Why is this on the Diaclone page anyway? We already had this thing with the Bug Bites and we ultimately came around to splitting it with a "see also" on the GoBot one. Escargon (talk) 10:22, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

Agreed. The intro for this article comes off as really silly trying to incorporate both interpretations and the characterizations here are much more different than, say, Knock Out (Prime) and Knock Out (G1). Saix (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

Thirded. It was fine when it was just a few cute shout outs but now that Hasbro is actively mining Diaclone content on a constant basis we need to re-evaluate our approach. Grum (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

I'm fine with that. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

No, massive disagree, the split is actually just making two bad and repetitive pages instead of one good one. She's literally branded as "Diaclone Universe Burn Out", and the personality is the same. Bug Bite is *terrible* precedent, and Lift Ticket, her cohort, has unanimous negative sentiment on the discussion page. Sky Shadow (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

Is her personality the exact same? I mean it's not like either has much to go on in their original appearances, but the opening paragraphs seem different enough. As for Lift-Ticket's page, it was based only on what we had at the time, and all that we did have was the fact that he was getting a toy, since these things don't have bio information anymore. By all appearances "Diaclone Universe" simply means "Diaclone colors" rather than Diaclone itself, at least so far. Escargon (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

Those "X Universe" labels ultimately just mean "based on this design/color scheme" (Twin Twist is clearly just the same Wrecker Autobot and not a suit piloted by a human) and "stubborn mecha suit" seems to me a different personality and conceit than "determined racer". Saix (talk) 13:39, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

...I mean, Diaclone Universe Twin Twist.... does come with a pilot...

And, really, frankly, "determined" vs "stubborn" does not... seem... at all incompatible. It seems more like one is directly influenced by the other, a mere thesaurus substitution of the same idea. --ItsWalky (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

like... [1] ItsWalky (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

Yes, but Twin Twist isn't a lifeless mecha. As for the bit Saix brings up, I think the more pertinent bit is the "racer" bit, which Timelines Burn-Out is decidedly not. Escargon (talk) 19:21, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

I mean, RID Scourge isn't a racer, either, are we gonna give his Velocitron toy a new page? Saying a character, like, can't ... have a toy that features in a race if they weren't ever said to be in a race previously, saying that makes them too-different to be the same character... that... that does not seem sustainable. --ItsWalky (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

Fair enough, yes, I completely forgot about that angle. Still, you said it yourself above; this version of the character isn't a Transformer. She's an artificially intelligent mecha who very explicitly comes from a very far off corner of the multiverse. Escargon (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2022 (EDT)

The lore of all the Diaclone decos who got Masterpieces tends to lean in the direction of treating it all as G1 continuity family even when, in Spin-Out's case, he was literally a mecha who later got a spark. That's the one avenue where Diaclone stuff continues to get fiction more substantial than one-panel cameos and one-paragraph copy, and I'd argue a far stronger precedent than arguing for the isolated integrity of a dead-and-buried BotCon set. Sky Shadow (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2022 (EDT)