Talk:Shockwave (SG)

Possible Pic

On a TFCC Wallpaper, I've seen a character which is basically a yellow Shockblast. I'm assuming this is meant to be SG Shockwave, but since there's no information beyond the picture, all it is is assumption. Can we possibly use it as his pic or not? Riddlerj 21:09, 2 March 2011 (EST)

Good question... Shockwave hasn't really shown up in fiction beyond a mention by Megatron... Perhaps this should be a question to ask Trent Troop, who made the image? --Detour 21:30, 2 March 2011 (EST)

It is SG Shockwave. [1] --67.252.49.31 21:38, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I'll upload it for now, unless anyone decides against it. Riddlerj 22:00, 2 March 2011 (EST)

Isn't he seeking Beta Maxx to learn the secrets of Primus according to BM's Bio? 71.238.50.144 08:52, 13 January 2012 (EST)

No, that bio was written long before SG Shockwave was created. It's likely referring to TransTech Shockwave, who was the Shockwave being written at the time the bio was published. It's not impossible for FP to retcon this, and it might even make more sense, but our job here is not to change things because we think they make more sense. Deciding on our own that Beta Maxx's bio referred to a Shockwave who didn't exist yet at the time is totally making things up. --ItsWalky 10:24, 13 January 2012 (EST)

"Harmonizing"

For one: where exactly was it discussed that we should "harmonize" the two interpretations of SG characters? And for two: why? I don't think "harmonizing" works for characters that have two wildly different personalities (read: one is an original personality and one is largely based on what IDW had done before with the original versions of the characters in MTMTE et al) and that we should come up with a different solution to that. Escargon (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

Writing bios that combine elements of multiple characterizations is literally a thing we do all the time. There's no problem here. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 12:31, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

Blaster, Shockwave, Scorponok, and Fortress Maximus are all evidence to the contrary. And again, where was this "discussion?" Because as far as I can tell, there was none. Escargon (talk) 12:34, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

A, we have always written intros to be continuity-neutral where possible. B, Loco literally did this for Blaster, Goldbug and Optimus, and no one cared. Gonna suggest you let this one go. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 12:37, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

I didn't notice Locoman's edits to Blaster; for Goldbug and Optimus it's whatever, their personalities in either one are largely similar, but I absolutely bristle at the Blaster example because there is no similarity in personality between either version. Escargon (talk) 12:39, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

And again: why is this discussion happening in the Discord and not actually on the Wiki where there's actual records of it happening? Escargon (talk) 12:46, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

Because, again, continuity-neutral lead paragraphs have always been a thing we've done. Funpub does not get special treatment just because it came first. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

I've been at this Wiki for nearly a decade, I know what we generally do. But in my opinion the differences between FunPub SG and IDW SG are large enough that they aren't as easily "reconciled," which is why I brought up Blaster et al, and why I'm frustrated that there was no discussion beforehand. Escargon (talk) 12:58, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

As you just said, that's your opinion. TransFormersfan1 is not the one in the wrong for doing what we always do, and did not need to "start a discussion" to treat the article the same way we do every other article on the wiki. It's on you to argue why IDWSG is somehow exempt from what you just admitted is our own usual policy. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

There are multiple exceptions to the rule that I have already brought up in the course of this discussion. Generation 1 Blaster's intro mainly goes with the cartoon depictions of him; there's only vague overtones of the more angsty personality he has in the comics, which is irreconcilable with the cartoon's happy-go-lucky take on the character. Generation 1 Shockwave's page goes with the comic; there's not a single mention of the "loyal Decepticon" take from the cartoon despite that being a major version of the character. IDW SG's take on Blaster, Soundwave, and other characters (Ratbat and Ravage in the first series comes to mind) are in similar boats. And yes, there are characters that are fairly similar between both versions; Starscream, Optimus, and Goldbug are all fairly close, despite the difference in details. But that doesn't mean that unilaterally we should just go ahead and do it for each and every SG character that shows up. Escargon (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2022 (EDT)