Talk:Onslaught (ROTF)

"Revenge of the Fallen Onslaught was developed independently of the on-screen character, yet shares the same article for simplicity and because both of them are based off Generation 1 Onslaught." Are they, though? Different alt-mode, different personality, different colours, no apparent shared design heritage... is there actually any good reason for TLK Onslaught to be on this page? --Riptide (talk) 12:19, 4 December 2022 (EST)

Personally, I've been feeling lately that all of the Universe Combaticons and Aerialbots that were sold under ROTF in the US really should no longer be treated as Movieverse characters, since the toys were only sold in ROTF packaging in the US because Target wanted more ROTF toys, despite the Universe-packaged versions having already seen release outside the US. Both Superion and Bruticus Maximus were given the exact same bios and tech specs as they had on their Universe toy boxes, and unlike those Walmart redecos of Cybertron/Classics Deluxes that were originally meant for Universe but instead released under the 2007 Movie label, no effort was ever made to actually depict the Aerialbots and Combaticons as Movieverse characters in any Movieverse fiction with designs based on those toys. At the time of their release, it made sense to give them Movieverse pages since we had that precedent set by those Walmart redecos, but we didn't know at the time that the same Movieverse character treatment that was given to the Walmart redecos by Movieverse fiction would never actually be given to the Aerialbots and Combaticons.

Basically, the complete non-entities that are Superion (ROTF), Fireflight (ROTF), Airazor (ROTF), Blast Off (ROTF), and Swindle (ROTF) should go bye-bye, Air Raid (Movie), Skydive (Movie), Brawl (Movie), and Vortex (Movie) should nix their coverage of the ROTF toys, Silverbolt (ROTF) should be at "Silverbolt (DOTM)" focusing only on the DOTM game character, Bruticus Maximus (ROTF) should be at just "Bruticus (ROTF)" covering only the name-dropped mention from the Titan ROTF comic, and Onslaught (ROTF) should indeed be at "Onslaught (TLK)" focusing only on the TLK character. It's incredibly nonsensical to continue keeping them all where currently are now. --Sabrblade (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2022 (EST)

I think this is something that I could go back and forth on, but right now yeah, I think the fact that those Universe toys were given Revenge of the Fallen packaging in some markets is no reason to have this nonsensical doubling-up on articles, particularly in cases where it creates confusing situations like this. Maybe just leave notes on the relevant movieverse pages. I feel the same way about that Cyberverse wave with Mirage (Prime)/Soundwave (Prime)/Evac (Prime). That said, I can definitely see the perspective where those pages should remain; the situation is identical to that of the Cybertron redecos from the first movie toyline, except for the fact that fiction actually followed through on the branding change. —The Wadapan (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2022 (EST)

I think what justifies the Superion and Bruticus guys having their own pages is that the packaging art for them are in two distinct styles: the same G1-type Marcelo Matere art for the Universe guys, and the headshot with distinctive movie elements (the eyes, for instance) for the movie packaging. The Prime Cyberverse guys have nothing like that. Escargon (talk) 17:51, 4 December 2022 (EST)