Talk:Silverstreak

I'm really questioning why this was split out in the first place? Saix (talk) 12:05, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Agreed. Both the designer commentary and the Pulse listing cited make it pretty clear that this is G1 Bluestreak. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 12:42, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Uh, that is not how I read Mark Maher's commentary on Instagram. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 15:18, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Another vote against splitting this out. Considering Mark Maher's commentary mentions CAD renders and such, it's not like he was speaking "in universe", just specifically about the toy itself.MCRG (talk) 15:48, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

That’s how I read it. And it’s annoying that this toy is buried here instead of being at the logical spot based on nothing more than ambiguous designer notes. There’s more supporting IDW “Silverstreak” being a different guy than this. Saix (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

While the Silverstreak debate continues, I have restored an entry on Bluestreak's toy page for informational purposes. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 17:45, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Mark talking about "characters" absolutely makes it sound like he thinks of Silverstreak as a different character rather than a new count of paint on Bluestreak, but at the same time I agree this toy should be on Bluestreak's page as well. --Riptide (talk) 18:24, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Whereas the official product copy thinks he's Bluestreak, if we're taking the references to the cartoon literally. Saix (talk) 18:52, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

So are we weighing (disputed) implied designer intent over formal corporate sources? MCRG (talk) 12:07, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Well, I mean, the official copy claims he's "inspired by the animated series", which he bluntly isn't; he's inspired by the Diaclone toy, and never appeared in anything like this deco in the cartoon. --Riptide (talk) 13:37, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

With this talk of "officialness" I do think it is worth keeping in mind that these Hasbro designer Instagram accounts are pretty transparently a polished marketing-managed PR initiative as opposed to, say, Hasbro employees firing off on their personal Twitter accounts after hours or something. The accounts aren't used for anything else. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 14:10, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

I provided citations for all the sources I was working with beyond the ready availability of the "Bluestreak" trademark when I made the page, so do what you will with the evidence from there I suppose. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Another vote against this page. --M Sipher (talk) 06:11, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Medix is *also* described as "inspired by The Transformers animated series", so I'm willing to wager it's copypasta based on "G1 Universe" being what the website would use. It's funny to report it as if it were true, but it should not be the deciding factor. After all, Shadowstrip is excellent precedent for a guy whose toy is simply on two pages from the getgo. Sky Shadow (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, I was gonna say — with Shadowstrip, we have precedent for "this design team considers "new name for unusual deco of existing character" to mean a new character", which fits with Mark's designer notes. (This is also why I think "Laser Cycle" should be on a new page as well as on Jazz's page, but I can at least see that there's other mitigating factors there.) --Riptide (talk) 14:10, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Shadowstrip and Laser Cycle do not have the precedent of being an established, frequently used alternate name and look of an existing character with no full bio to contradict him not just being that guy again like this one. This feels very much like reading too much into that design commentary and the designers speaking on different terms than the wiki. MCRG (talk) 20:46, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

That. Shadowstrip at least got some measure of a personality and the designer spelling out that it could be G2 Drag Strip or another guy. (And we're not giving Laser Cycle a page till it's actually been established to be a new character.) This guy is a nobody where the only content of his page outside the toy writeup and deco origin is jokes. (You could make up a Frankenstein page with this toy and IDW Silverstreak, I guess, but I doubt anybody here cares enough to do that.) Saix (talk) 22:35, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Went ahead and added a deletion tag to this page. If Laser Cycle, a previously unreleased deco with a technically new name and an equal amount of character info, is (sensibly) being treated as just a new form of Jazz, there's absolutely no reason this guy should stand alone. --MCRG (talk) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (EDT)