Talk:Scrapper (ROTF)

It would appear as though the Constructicon Scouts share the same chassis as Scrapper. Should we use the pic of the Scout for Scrapper's article? Godziboy1993 13:17, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

I just rewatched the movie, and the cannibalized Constructicon was the one who looks like a Constructicon scout. Also, he is clearly shown using the claw at the back, so it's not Hightower. I think we can say it's Scrapper now.KrytenKoro 17:53, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

At 0:16, you can clearly see Scrapper, (red) Rampage, Long Haul, and Mixmaster. However, it soon shows a yellow-red Volvo Excavator (maybe it's just Ravage messing around in it?). Then, it switches to what is clearly Scrapper's robot mode. I think we can safely say it's Scrapper, and the excavator is some kind of error.KrytenKoro 22:34, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

"Scrapper's" robot mode is the first to dive into the water and is yellow, right? The red robot mode goes right before Long Haul and is a pogo-stick, which means the red vehicle in the wide shot is Rampage. It appears to me there is a Constructicon with an excavator altmode that transformes into a Scrapper-like robot mode (by process of elimination). Rampage looks like the smallest one so I don't know why they killed the excavator guy, but oh well. - Starfield 23:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

The Volvo excavator is yellow and clearly has a giant Decepticon logo on him. His robot mode's arms are noticeably skinnier than Scrapper's. I think those two factors can qualify him as a different character from Scrapper. --Detour 00:05, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

*grrgh* Seriously, more bootleg discussion? Regardless, I don't know exactly against what we're judging the skinniness of Scrapper's arms. Early concept art? --ItsWalky 00:11, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

This image of Scrapper from an HD trailer is what I'm comparing the arms on, and the altmode was determined between identifying the vehicle mode as a treaded vehicle of sorts (initially believed by myself to be Hightower), and an Allspark member identified it as a Volvo excavator. So no bootlegs were used in my investigation. --Detour 00:29, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

What I'm saying is, at the 0:16 mark, there is pretty clearly Scrapper's alt mode, a front load shovel. The Volvo excavator then appears in the close-up shot, but since we never see it transform, it's entirely possible it's not even a Transformer - that shot is heavily obscured, and Scrapper could be right behind it.KrytenKoro 02:00, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Your link got pulled. For good reason, what with being illegal bootleg and all. Which for this wiki is a big no-go. --Detour 02:03, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Fine with me. I uploaded a clip of the shot I'm talking about. You can even tell that it has four wheels from above. If an edited screenshot is un-kosher too, go ahead and delete it, but it's pretty clear it's Scrapper. KrytenKoro 02:10, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

As for the robot mode arms being skinnier - I'm sorry, that's completely in your head, it's the same robot mode. In the underwater scene, you can even see that he has the same tread-like thighs, as well as the same pincer-arm.KrytenKoro 02:17, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Jesus, what was just said about no bootlegs? And besides, what's more reliable, a blurry wide shot or clear closeups on the boat showing a Decepticon-sigiled Volvo excavator right next to Mixmaster? --Detour 02:13, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

...the fact that you can clearly see a front-loader, that it looks exactly like Scrapper's robot mode, and that there is no identified character for "ze little one"? I don't know, what do you think?KrytenKoro 02:17, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

There's also no identified character (still alive) for the Bonecrusher lookalike but we're still counting him as a character. Why should Ze Little One be treated differently? --Detour 02:19, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

...because the Bonecrusher one has actually been identified anywhere with a robot and vehicle mode. Meanwhile, we've got a volvo excavator, shown in one shot, that never transforms, but a Scrapper-clone and front-loader in the preceding and after shots, that actually correlate to a character in the same sub-group as the other characters. You're demanding that they made a completely unnamed, unused in any other media, unfitting Constructicon in a movie that positively showcases model recycling.

Also, Volvo makes front loaders as well. There is plenty of reason to suspect that it was merely an error, for whatever reason. They also make some with the back-claw, so it's possible that that is part of the mix-up.

Whatever the Excavator is doing there, it's not "ze little one", as that robot mode is identical to a Scrapper.KrytenKoro 02:30, 13 July 2009 (EDT)