Talk:Scrapper (ROTF)

It would appear as though the Constructicon Scouts share the same chassis as Scrapper. Should we use the pic of the Scout for Scrapper's article? Godziboy1993 13:17, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

I just rewatched the movie, and the cannibalized Constructicon was the one who looks like a Constructicon scout. Also, he is clearly shown using the claw at the back, so it's not Hightower. I think we can say it's Scrapper now.KrytenKoro 17:53, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

At 0:16, you can clearly see Scrapper, (red) Rampage, Long Haul, and Mixmaster. However, it soon shows a yellow-red Volvo Excavator (maybe it's just Ravage messing around in it?). Then, it switches to what is clearly Scrapper's robot mode. I think we can safely say it's Scrapper, and the excavator is some kind of error.KrytenKoro 22:34, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

"Scrapper's" robot mode is the first to dive into the water and is yellow, right? The red robot mode goes right before Long Haul and is a pogo-stick, which means the red vehicle in the wide shot is Rampage. It appears to me there is a Constructicon with an excavator altmode that transformes into a Scrapper-like robot mode (by process of elimination). Rampage looks like the smallest one so I don't know why they killed the excavator guy, but oh well. - Starfield 23:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

The Volvo excavator is yellow and clearly has a giant Decepticon logo on him. His robot mode's arms are noticeably skinnier than Scrapper's. I think those two factors can qualify him as a different character from Scrapper. --Detour 00:05, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

*grrgh* Seriously, more bootleg discussion? Regardless, I don't know exactly against what we're judging the skinniness of Scrapper's arms. Early concept art? --ItsWalky 00:11, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

This image of Scrapper from an HD trailer is what I'm comparing the arms on, and the altmode was determined between identifying the vehicle mode as a treaded vehicle of sorts (initially believed by myself to be Hightower), and an Allspark member identified it as a Volvo excavator. So no bootlegs were used in my investigation. --Detour 00:29, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

What I'm saying is, at the 0:16 mark, there is pretty clearly Scrapper's alt mode, a front load shovel. The Volvo excavator then appears in the close-up shot, but since we never see it transform, it's entirely possible it's not even a Transformer - that shot is heavily obscured, and Scrapper could be right behind it.KrytenKoro 02:00, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Your link got pulled. For good reason, what with being illegal bootleg and all. Which for this wiki is a big no-go. --Detour 02:03, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Fine with me. I uploaded a clip of the shot I'm talking about. You can even tell that it has four wheels from above. If an edited screenshot is un-kosher too, go ahead and delete it, but it's pretty clear it's Scrapper. KrytenKoro 02:10, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

As for the robot mode arms being skinnier - I'm sorry, that's completely in your head, it's the same robot mode. In the underwater scene, you can even see that he has the same tread-like thighs, as well as the same pincer-arm.KrytenKoro 02:17, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Jesus, what was just said about no bootlegs? And besides, what's more reliable, a blurry wide shot or clear closeups on the boat showing a Decepticon-sigiled Volvo excavator right next to Mixmaster? --Detour 02:13, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

...the fact that you can clearly see a front-loader, that it looks exactly like Scrapper's robot mode, and that there is no identified character for "ze little one"? I don't know, what do you think?KrytenKoro 02:17, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

There's also no identified character (still alive) for the Bonecrusher lookalike but we're still counting him as a character. Why should Ze Little One be treated differently? --Detour 02:19, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

...because the Bonecrusher one has actually been identified anywhere with a robot and vehicle mode. Meanwhile, we've got a volvo excavator, shown in one shot, that never transforms, but a Scrapper-clone and front-loader in the preceding and after shots, that actually correlate to a character in the same sub-group as the other characters. You're demanding that they made a completely unnamed, unused in any other media, unfitting Constructicon in a movie that positively showcases model recycling.

Also, Volvo makes front loaders as well. There is plenty of reason to suspect that it was merely an error, for whatever reason. They also make some with the back-claw, so it's possible that that is part of the mix-up.

Whatever the Excavator is doing there, it's not "ze little one", as that robot mode is identical to a Scrapper.KrytenKoro 02:30, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

It's a bootlegged scene, fine, delete it from the wiki. But unless you're trying to claim that it's somehow been edited, then that doesn't matter for use as evidence. You can see the front-load shovel, you can make out the four wheels, and in robot mode, you can see the tread-knees, the pincer claw, and most of the head, identical to Scrapper.KrytenKoro 02:34, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

The front-loader is not seen in any "after shot". You see a blur that kind of looks like a front loader in your copyright-infringing pic and from then on it's Decepticon-sigiled Volvo Excavator next to Mixmaster all the way through. It's got treads, whereas the front loader has wheels. The excavator is shown more prominently than the front loader would be, and the robot mode model doesn't match 100% in my eyes, with Ze Little One's arms being a lot slimmer than Scrapper's. --Detour 02:37, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

I'm sorry then. I can clearly see a front-load shovel, and a back-placed cockpit, and it sure as hell doesn't have the excavator claw, and doesn't appear to have treads. Hell, you can even tell that Mixmaster is closer to the other side of the alley, while the excavator stretches out farther then him, has the claw, nothing in front of the wheels (as the topshot clearly does), and a front-placed cockpit.

As for the robot mode bit - again, I'm sorry, but it's Scrapper. I can tell that it has at least Scrapper's pincers (visible when it jumps in, and again when Scalpel is released), wheel-heels (at 1:46), and sphere-head (also at 1:46). As for the thinner arms, I think you might be forgetting that Scrapper's arms are hinged. You can even obliquely see it in the shot you posted. Really, every detail I can observe matches Scrapper. It's Scrapper.KrytenKoro 02:51, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Here, this should be acceptable, since it's linked to on the main ROTF film talk page: [1]. It explains the clamp (but not the treads and front-cockpit), which doesn't actually appear on any volvo excavators that I can find images for.KrytenKoro 02:59, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

The scene is a mess. It was either shot multiple times, or it had it's premise changed after footage was shot.

The walls don't match int he close shots, nor do the vehicles. If I had to guess I'd say that Ravage's landign was probably shot at some inland shipyard, and the "Bayos at sea" flyover had the vehicles digitally composited in. When plans changed for whatever reason, the portmost vehicle became Scrapper-or-a-lookalike in the establishing shot-- which it clearly isn't in the close-in shots.

Yelling at one another about treads vs. wheeled loaders isn't productive-- the scene shows both. At some point plans changed, and the scene got adjusted. (I think maybe the practical claw-shot was a drop-in filmed later, it fits the worst of anything.)

But the main establishing shot shows Scrapper's vehicle mode and the CGI is of Scrapper's robot mode. So my only question is... is that robot mode tan, or orange when he jumps off the side? Because Scrapper is very orange when he attacks Sam and Mikaela in the desert (there's a link from the HD trailer above) and I want to know if these two univs 'look different' in-universe. -Derik 06:11, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Thank you.KrytenKoro 07:59, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

On an unrelated note (main pic)

I posted a screencap taken from the HD trailer during the previous topic. If we cropped it out to focus on Scrapper himself, much like what was done with Rampage for his article, would that be fine, or is he too much "in motion" for it to suffice as a main pic? --Detour 08:05, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Naw, that's good enough, at least until the DVD. --ItsWalky 08:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Concept art pic

Well, Paul Ozzimo has finally gotten around to making his website accessible to viewers. While he hasn't filled in the Revenge of the Fallen portion yet, images of his work on the film do appear as part of the quick tour feature. One of those is a Constructicon that I believe to be Scrapper. Can we use this, or is it too different from the final product? -- SFH 14:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

That's not Scrapper, head and arms are wrong...however it might very well be Ze Little One. User:Eire

It has nearly the same thighs and waist, and it's left arm matches Scrapper's right exactly. It's probably an early concept for Scrapper, seeing as it looks a lot rougher. Though, the lights its using do look like they were specifically designed for the underwater sequence, and instead of Scrapper's tire thighs it has track thighs, so this might be actual concrete proof that ze little one is a variant of the Scrapper bodyframe.KrytenKoro 01:36, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

The pincer-thing certainly seems to favor Ze Little One. (And him being a variant of Scrapper would actually settle a lot of problems.) -Derik 03:00, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

Apparently a voyager scrapper was confirmed at BotCon 2009, says wikipedia, but there is no citation so, alas, it is probably fanwank.

There are no wheels here. He definetly looks like a tracked vehicle (you can see tracks on his right arm and on his right torso) so probably is 'Ze little one'.

Toy Rumors

There have been on-again/off-again rumors that Scrapper's going to get an individual Voyager-class toy. This has been mostly been appearing on Wikipedia. Since this claim disappears a few days after it pops up, I'm not certain whether to believe it or not. But the claims have always mentioned that his individual toy was mentioned at Botcon 2009. Does anyone know whether that's true or not? User:Cydra 12:31, 4 September 2009 (EST)

Constructicon scout?

I don't think calling Scrapper a Constructicon Scout is going to fly. That is a specific video game concept. Plus, even if it could be applied, the following is misleading. "He's either the loader that forms the right arm of Devastator or the one who saw action at the battle of Egypt." Scrapper is the Devastator component, according to both Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe and the toys. - Starfield 17:58, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I know, I've suggested actually moving the information on the Scrapper NEST fought to the Scout article, see Talk:Constructicon Scout. Alientraveller 17:59, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Another Scrapper image

Someone uploaded this, and even though Detour wiped it all away, I still think it's worth being here somewhere, possibly. --ItsWalky 11:46, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

DOTM Scrapper

When Devastator was destroyed, the part where Scrapper was didn't get destroyed, so could that Decepticon Optimus Prime killed during his rage be a survivor of Operation: Firestorm? Skywarp Prime (talk) 11:00, 19 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Maybe it can be noted in the notes section.--Primestar3 (talk) 11:55, 19 June 2019 (EDT)

That sounds good. Skywarp Prime (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime