Talk:Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers
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Jump to navigationJump to search...oh, wow. We kinda went for the brass ring on question #3, didn't we?--RosicrucianTalk 19:03, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Holy crap, that answer almost entirely salvages the 'multiversal singularity' absurdity all by itself! --Jimsorenson 19:09, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Ahahahahaaa, that's fucking awesome! They basically said "It just does, okay? Leave us alone!" and gussied it up with lots of terminology. :D - Chris McFeely 19:10, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- In fact, I'd say we need to find a way to integrate that info into the article as soon as possible. It's as good an explanation as we're ever likely to get. Forrest Lee's bullshit-fu is strong.--RosicrucianTalk 19:10, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- That answer makes my brain hurt. I'll get back to you on whether it's a good hurt or a bad hurt or not. Still, it does kinda sorta explain things if you squint at it hard enough, including some other quirks (like whether Heatwave has a spark or an ember...)
- BTW, a dimension where everyone experiences time like Merlin is freakin' awesome. Someone needs to write about that. --Jeysie 19:13, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- This is goddamn insane. I love it. Antimatter 19:24, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- In fact, I'd say we need to find a way to integrate that info into the article as soon as possible. It's as good an explanation as we're ever likely to get. Forrest Lee's bullshit-fu is strong.--RosicrucianTalk 19:10, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Ahahahahaaa, that's fucking awesome! They basically said "It just does, okay? Leave us alone!" and gussied it up with lots of terminology. :D - Chris McFeely 19:10, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Woooohooooo! They could have just given us a brush off, or "A wizard did it." But HUGE kudos to Hasbro for iving us an ACTUAL answer that totally works. Bravo. --76.28.72.27 19:26, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Oh man, they (and by "they" I mean "Forest") TOTALLY answered my question, gloriously, and in an impressive bullshit-storm that will be echoed triumphantly across the eons. --ItsWalky 20:02, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Yeah, I was totally prepared for a minute to toast the answer's quality, but as I tried to sum up why I thought it made sense, I realized I was deleting everything I was writing because, dammit, this answer doesn't explain a goddamn thing. It just sounds all authoritative and technical. Hooray for more retarded technobabble, I guess. - Jackpot 20:06, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- It's not great because it answers anything, it's great because it expressly not only answers nothing, but says "it doesn't actually matter at all" in a way that sounds cool. --Jeysie 20:14, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- It's pretty much one of the most-fun Q&A answers I've seen, because they just let Lee sit down and go nuts on it.--RosicrucianTalk 20:16, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Advanced dimensional physics with children's toys! Someone should put something about it on our twitter thingy!. --abates 20:17, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- For a guy who can see all outcomes of all events throughout all dimensions for all eternity forever and ever amen, the Fallen sure is fucking stupid and loses all the time. It's like in "Big Trouble In Little China" where Lo-Pan's ghost is an all-powerful wizard who's been ruling the world from behind the scenes for 2000 years but he couldn't get what he REALLY wanted because he never found a girl with green eyes. --Thylacine 2000 21:17, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Agreed. Also, Lee's answer comes really close to actually nailing the most objectionable thing about the "multiversal singularity" idea: New timelines are being formed all the time by quantum uncertainty, so therefore the singularities must be disappearing from universes left and right in the middle of battles or whatever. Lee's answer begins to address that by saying that The Fallen actually DOES exist in all those different timelines, but he just perceives them all from some elevated point of view. But then Lee backpedals in order to preserve the "singularity" part by saying that basically only one timeline will really "count" in the end, which is kind of anathema to how the TF multiverse works. - Jackpot 21:38, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- I took that as meaning that when there's a vicariance event and one quantum universal possibility branches off from another, if the Fallen was in the adjacent one he'd sorta bleed into the new one.... like an amoeba spreading around an obstacle in two streams at two different speeds, which eventually reunite. With pseudopods in both at once, his all-seeing woowoo would let him figure out everything that would happen in both and he'd end up in whichever universe was going to exist longer and/or had more time (if time existed) until his as-always-inevitable defeat. (And seriously, dude. At least Unicron was established in some Transtech story as having successfully devoured like 11% of all the universes.) --Thylacine 2000 21:47, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Really? I took it more like a dude playing a video game who hits Quick-Save every five seconds. If he fucks up, he goes across to the timeline where he DIDN'T fuck up. He's basically save-scumming, and because he exists in multiple dimensions, he can save-scum a LONG LONG TIME. It's just that TF fiction is the equivalent of Kaizo Mario World. Except for him, it looks like THIS. Hooper_X 21:52, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Hooper that's... beautiful and cosmic and surprisingly meaningful to the discussion at hand.--RosicrucianTalk 21:58, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- When you're hot, you're hot. Hooper_X 22:09, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Hooper that's... beautiful and cosmic and surprisingly meaningful to the discussion at hand.--RosicrucianTalk 21:58, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Really? I took it more like a dude playing a video game who hits Quick-Save every five seconds. If he fucks up, he goes across to the timeline where he DIDN'T fuck up. He's basically save-scumming, and because he exists in multiple dimensions, he can save-scum a LONG LONG TIME. It's just that TF fiction is the equivalent of Kaizo Mario World. Except for him, it looks like THIS. Hooper_X 21:52, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- I took that as meaning that when there's a vicariance event and one quantum universal possibility branches off from another, if the Fallen was in the adjacent one he'd sorta bleed into the new one.... like an amoeba spreading around an obstacle in two streams at two different speeds, which eventually reunite. With pseudopods in both at once, his all-seeing woowoo would let him figure out everything that would happen in both and he'd end up in whichever universe was going to exist longer and/or had more time (if time existed) until his as-always-inevitable defeat. (And seriously, dude. At least Unicron was established in some Transtech story as having successfully devoured like 11% of all the universes.) --Thylacine 2000 21:47, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Weeeell, if the Fallen's consciousness is split across a couple of hundred parallel universes, and he's trying to enact the same plan in each of them, I can kinda forgive him for getting killed off in one or two of them when Optimus Prime comes trying to rip his face off. I imagine for him, getting defeated in one or two realities doesn't matter so much if he won in a couple of dozen others that we never got to see (because we only see the realities where the good guys win). --abates 21:56, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- I would totally agree with that interpretation (and in fact I suggested it a long time ago), but I think Lee undercuts it when he talks about those parallel universes "collapsing" and The Fallen snapping back to the "real" timeline. I see Lee trying and failing to have it both ways. Though I'm certainly happy with, for wiki purposes, keeping the good parts and hand-waving over the bad ones... - Jackpot 22:05, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- It's complicated. --The Doctor 22:40, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- I would totally agree with that interpretation (and in fact I suggested it a long time ago), but I think Lee undercuts it when he talks about those parallel universes "collapsing" and The Fallen snapping back to the "real" timeline. I see Lee trying and failing to have it both ways. Though I'm certainly happy with, for wiki purposes, keeping the good parts and hand-waving over the bad ones... - Jackpot 22:05, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Agreed. Also, Lee's answer comes really close to actually nailing the most objectionable thing about the "multiversal singularity" idea: New timelines are being formed all the time by quantum uncertainty, so therefore the singularities must be disappearing from universes left and right in the middle of battles or whatever. Lee's answer begins to address that by saying that The Fallen actually DOES exist in all those different timelines, but he just perceives them all from some elevated point of view. But then Lee backpedals in order to preserve the "singularity" part by saying that basically only one timeline will really "count" in the end, which is kind of anathema to how the TF multiverse works. - Jackpot 21:38, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- For a guy who can see all outcomes of all events throughout all dimensions for all eternity forever and ever amen, the Fallen sure is fucking stupid and loses all the time. It's like in "Big Trouble In Little China" where Lo-Pan's ghost is an all-powerful wizard who's been ruling the world from behind the scenes for 2000 years but he couldn't get what he REALLY wanted because he never found a girl with green eyes. --Thylacine 2000 21:17, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- It's not great because it answers anything, it's great because it expressly not only answers nothing, but says "it doesn't actually matter at all" in a way that sounds cool. --Jeysie 20:14, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Yeah, I was totally prepared for a minute to toast the answer's quality, but as I tried to sum up why I thought it made sense, I realized I was deleting everything I was writing because, dammit, this answer doesn't explain a goddamn thing. It just sounds all authoritative and technical. Hooray for more retarded technobabble, I guess. - Jackpot 20:06, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Oh man, they (and by "they" I mean "Forest") TOTALLY answered my question, gloriously, and in an impressive bullshit-storm that will be echoed triumphantly across the eons. --ItsWalky 20:02, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- Woooohooooo! They could have just given us a brush off, or "A wizard did it." But HUGE kudos to Hasbro for iving us an ACTUAL answer that totally works. Bravo. --76.28.72.27 19:26, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff." --The Doctor 22:25, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
- I really like the Kaizo World explanation, sums it up real nicely to me. :P Although I think it'd be wrong to assume he also won in a lot of continuities... We don't know how many times he won at all. If anything, after losing a million billion times, he just said to himself "Screw this timestream, I'm trying somewhere else from now on." And that's why he ends up losing in ROTF even with his singularity mumbo-jumbo. --Ascendron 22:37, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
