Talk:Megatron (BW)

Y'know the BW Meg's was probably the most successful of all Megatron's. The guy managed to kill Optimus 3 time in his career, nearly rewrote all of history and managed to completely dominate Cybertron for a brief time.

Also, he never took to calling himself Galvatron when he changed. I give him bonus points for that. --Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 13:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

...he had a Cybertron toy? -Derik 01:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, silly me, I forgot that the new BWX toys wern't cybertron, I'll edit them back to the way they were.X-BoB58 01:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Continuity

That Table of Contents doesn't look right to me. This section:

1. 1.1 American animated continuity

   * 1.1.1 Timelines: Dawn of Futures Past
   * 1.1.2 Dreamwave Comics continuity
   * 1.1.3 Beast Wars
   * 1.1.4 Tales of the Beast Wars
   * 1.1.5 IDW Beast Wars: The Gathering comics
   * 1.1.6 Beast Machines
   * 1.1.7 3H Universe Comics

Seems like it should be broken down more. I mean, I'm not sure how exactly, but all of that stuff isn't really part of a single continuity, is it? --KilMichaelMcC 18:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the DW comics bit will be retconned out by this year's Timelines set, so I think we can move that eventually. And IDW's BW series may eventually write itself out of continuity. Otherwise, yes. --ItsWalky 18:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The IDW and 3H comics are part of a single continuity? I didn't think they were compatible with each other. --KilMichaelMcC 19:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Furman has stated that theirs is in-continuity with the show, but in a separate timeline than previous material. Of course, that means nothing until there are actually irreconciliable differences, and I don't believe that's happened happened yet. When that day comes, I will gladly put IDW's material in its own subheading. (From what I understand, the Timelines story will try to reconcile with both 3H and IDW's material through non-contradiction, if not outright affirmation.) --ItsWalky 19:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean like 3H's Primaeval dawn (set after Beast Wars) being 180,000 years ago, and IDW's series (during BW) being set 70,000 years ago?

Contradictions like that? -Derik 19:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Right. That doesn't bother me. --ItsWalky 20:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Japanese Micromasters stuff places BW at 3 million years ago. So it's nothing if not conflicted.

(I tend to agree BTW, while the different dates indicate the two versions of events are not in strict continuity with one another, there is nothing that keeps the events of one from more-or-less happening in the other- yet.) -Derik 20:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there a page somewhere that lays down how all the continuities, series, etc. should be subdivided? I'm definitely in agreement with Kil that the mess of little BW continuities shouldn't be lumped together in chronological order as though they were all meant to fit. Here's how I would do it:

Fiction
   Mainframe animated continuity
      Beast Wars
      Beast Machines
   Japanese continuity
      BWII catalog
      BW Metals manga
      BW Reborn manga
      Robot Masters
   3H comics continuity
      Omega Point
      Universe
   Dreamwave comics continuity
   IDW comics continuity
   Timelines continuity

I lump all the Japanese stuff together because I don't know how they fit or don't fit. They might need to be separated further.

The only logic I can see to the current setup is that all of those series do share the BW toon as a starting point. But there's almost no concordance (and a fair bit of contradiction) between the various offshoots. So presenting them all mushed together in a shoehorned "chronological order" is more headache-inducing and just plain misleading than breaking them out.

- Jackpot 23:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yea, hell If I had my way on this wiki, there would be no divide between US and Japan continuity, X-BoB58 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem is- that strategy only works while everything meshes smoothly. With BWMegs, we actually have parts of the US continutiy that are dropping out- at which point it becomes irresponsible to nto seperate other non-central material.

Some of ythese characers/backstories/histories are so complicated that all you can do it try to present it in a format where the reader a) is able to get a general impression b) is able to make their own judgement on the material, based on the division you made-- what fits with what, etc. -Derik 19:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

And thank God you never will, X-Bob. - RolonBolon 21:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

S1 VS set

Was it ever defined if the red Batimus and purple Megagator were the same characters as Primal and Megatron? Also, are we going to list the first BW Primal and Megs toys as versions of G1 Prime and Megs, because they are if you go by the specs.

They're BW Megs/Primal, I'm told. It says "OPTIMUS PRIMAL" and "MEGATRON" behind their recolored-CGI-commercial packaging art. Also, as I'm typing this, their cards also seem to mention "trailer truck" and "Walter P38", but in what context, who knows. So, uh, hold that thought. --ItsWalky 00:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Background

Derik pointed me in the right direction of the story page which was printed in a toy catalogue, featuring the background history between Megatron and Galvatron (BWII). I didn't know where to place this in the article, as it was a single story page from a catalogue rather than a typical manga magazine and didn't seem worthy of it's own little section. I did what we do to seperate the Marvel US and UK stories with italics. If any of you can think of a better place to cram it, feel free. --DrSpengler 23:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I had friend of mine (a native Japanese speaker) look at the story page(s) from the catalog, and I've adjusted both Megatron and Galvatron's pages accordingly. Here, for future reference, are the pages and translations:

Page 1

"The stage of the battle moves on to the Second War... Beast Wars, Transform!"

"Around the same time that Convoy and Megatron were locked in their death struggle... in the far reaches of the galaxy, on a planet located in the Solar system, a Cybertron space patrol and Destron armored platoon begin battle!! What is the ultimate weapon "The King of Angolmois" that sleeps in the ancient ruins of this planet? In the seventh month of the Space Year 1999, will the heroic Cybertrons win!? Or will it be the evil Destrons!? Now, you too must participate in the new Beast Wars!"

Page 2

Speech bubble emanating from Megatron says: "This guy is the Destron New Emperor of Destruction, Galvatron!"

Quote from Galvatron: "Your era is over, Megatron!"

Main paragraph (apparently narrated by Megatron): "When I was on planet Seibertron, I once disagreed with Galvatron over our opinions on space conquest, and we battled."

"At the time, I let down my guard and was defeated!"

"Although he is ambitious, he also cares for his underlings, and although I do not enjoy saying this, he probably has all the regal bearing of a new Emperor of Destruction."

Page 3

Speech bubble emanating from Convoy says: "Let me introduce the new leader of the Cybertrons, Lio Convoy!"

Quote from Lio Convoy: "Leave the rest to me, Convoy Sempai!"

Main paragraph (apparently narrated by Convoy): "He had been an ace in the Cybertron Space Patrol. He's strong and brave, and furthermore is kind: an ideal leader. He has a tendency to be too straight-forward, but I hope that he'll do his best for peace in space. I'm leaving it to you, Lio Convoy!"

Ta da. --Monzo 23:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Control Art

I question not only the placement of the control art, but, well, if it really needs to be there at all. I'm not sure what having the art there is FOR. --68.189.152.138 07:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

It's placement next to the TOC is (relatively) unobtrusive, but I agree, its purpose in beign there is kinda mysterious.

I love the pic of Megatron's spark figure though. -Derik 15:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I came here expecting to edit an image caption into something funny, but it seems true masters have already been at work here. Well done. --Andrusi 22:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The "Dinosaur Comics" bit is SHEER GENIUS. --Salt-Man Z 22:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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