User talk:207.181.17.24

Combiner Factions

I can't speak for whether the Nexus Prime folks count as Autobots and Decepticons in Transcendent or not. But on the Shattered Glass pages, I'm pretty sure "Autobots" and "Decepticons" is always intended to refer to the "Shattered Glass" version of the factions specifically. That's why Heatwave is in "Decepticons" (because he actually is an SG Decepticon), but the rest of his gestalt and G1 Cliffjumper are in "Others". --Jeysie 18:23, 5 November 2009 (EST)

I don't see the problem with putting Autobots in the Autobot column and Decepticons in the Deception column. 207.181.17.24 19:01, 5 November 2009 (EST)

I believe I just thoroughly explained the logic above. Please take the time to read it. --Jeysie 19:17, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Also, the header colors/orders are switched for "Shattered Glass" stories on purpose. Don't change them. --Jeysie 19:20, 5 November 2009 (EST)

In cases where SG Autobots appeared on Transtech Cybertron they were listed as Autobots. See Transcendent: Part 1 - So how is this different? I do see your point on colors though. 207.181.17.24 19:34, 5 November 2009 (EST)

AFAIK the only SG Autobot that ever appeared on TransTech Cybertron was SG Alpha Trion, and he was actually passing himself off as a normal Autobot at the time.

But in the SG stories, the Autobots and Decepticons are completely opposite from their normal counterparts. An Autobot in the normal world would almost certainly not be an Autobot in the SG verse, and likewise for Cons. Heck, even though Cliffjumper is technically a part of the SG Decepticons, he states out loud that he still considers himself an Autobot--just the "right" kind of Autobot. IMHO they're two different beasts.

Thus... like, I said, Heatwave actually is the SG variety of Decepticon, so he stays there. Everyone else... "Others" is pretty much our best place. The Shattered Glass universe is a weird place; it wouldn't be the only wiki convention we've bent for it.

If you want to take it up on a related talk page elsewhere, be my guest... maybe it'll turn out everyone disagrees with me. But until then, for the love of my sanity and the Recent Changes listing, stop changing around the pages. --Jeysie 19:48, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Since the list says "AUTOBOTS" and "DECEPTICONS", I don't see any problem listing the Autobots and Decepticon under them for now... but please, start a talk page talk about it. Perhaps the columns should say "SHATTERED GLASS AUTOBOTS" and "SHATTERED GLASS DECEPTICONS" then it would be correct your way? 207.181.17.24 19:50, 5 November 2009 (EST)