Talk:Dead Men's Boots

Canonicity?

So, after seeing Detour's edits on Rack 'n Ruin's page, I wanted to bring this up. Honestly, my inclination is to treat it as de facto canon. Especially since my cynical side can't help but note that nary a word was said about Furman's canon claim at the time his Mosaic was made (even though the editor would know the claim had been made), and it was only six months later after the decision to cut him off with AHM and retcon things that the word came down that "Mosaics aren't canon".
But... I defer to wiki policy and such. --Jeysie 09:41, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

I don't think Detour is the last word here, nor does this Mosaic have any of the standard disclaimers others have. Really, the only part of this that could be written out of continuity is Rack 'n Ruin's death, and what are the odds of that?--Rosicrucian^Talk 13:58, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

You know, for whatever reason, even though I'm not a fan of authorial intent, I'm fine with seeing this Mosaic considered de facto canon, to use Jeysie's phrase. Then again, I feel the same way about Alignment and Hail & Farewell. I guess, while I consider the words of creators in isolation to be unpersuasive, I'd be willing to consider fiction from official creators to occasionally be authoritative, interesting, and informative enough to make it more-or-less canon.--Jimsorenson 14:11, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

Really, I'd say there's even a distinction between this and Hail and Farewell because the creators were smart and put it before the work they'd just released. Thus it really only serves to reaffirm that work, and doesn't prognosticate like Hail and Farewell did. That's a much safer approach, in my mind.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:27, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

Was this approved by Hasbro? Far as I recall, our policy was "If Hasbro aproved it, it's official; if they didn't, it's fanfic".--Nevermore 14:42, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

I've seen no signs of official approval. It doesn't bear any Hasbro copyright or trademark notices, it's only appeared on DeviantArt.com, and the description just says, "This piece is presented as part of IDW Publishing's Transformers continuity, and precedes the events of Last Stand of the Wreckers." That reads to me as simple author-intent.

I think it would be helpful to give ourselves as "apocrypha" category that we can put stuff like this into. Not only could it cover things that are creator-made but unofficial, but it could also include works that declare themselves non-canon (like "Transformers Legends"... and maybe all the published Mosaics too, now that I think of it).

- Jackpot 15:48, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

I'd love to consider this completely canon, but sadly it lacks the Hasbro approval. That's pretty much why I moved the write-up from fiction to notes. --Detour 16:07, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

"Category: Deuterocanonical"? -hx 16:25, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

I approve of making creator-originated material less-than-canon without Hasbro's approval. Otherwise it seems like I'd be able to create SG Ravage canon at will. --ItsWalky 16:29, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

I like the idea of a "psuedocanon" category and/or page notice. --Jeysie 00:37, 20 June 2010 (EDT)