Talk:Prima
Is Prima pronounced 'Prime-uh' or 'Preem-ah'? -69.88.91.218 20:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I doubt there any official sources on pronunciation for this, but I'd go with "Prime-uh" given the general "Primus" connection from which this name is obviously derived.--G.B. Blackrock 20:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Uh, I think Prima was the FIRST Matrix-bearer, according to the Creation Matrix. I don't think Primus counts as one. He's listed first because he IS the Matrix. --ItsWalky 21:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
So it is! I was thinking Primon came first.
- Primon is only ever mentioned in the Omega Point BotCon fiction. We're not really sure what his deal is, compared to Prima. --ItsWalky 21:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm feeling entirely too lazy to think up how to integrate it into the existing text, but it'd be important to mention that DK's "Ultimate Guide" book specifically states that Prima was the first Transformer of 'em all, accompanied by the panel from the G2 comic that showed the first TF emerging. - Chris McFeely 21:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Aaaand, I see Derik's made that point already elsewhere. - Chris McFeely 21:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Cartoon
I don't see how the bot previously known as "Powerful Robot" can be the first Transformer. He was a pre-Transformer for one thing, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that "the first Transformer" doesn't literally mean he could transform. But, as the article says, he "was created from the corpse of another robot" so he was created late in the game. By Quintessons. Unless it was actually the guy who was recycled into "Powerful Robot" who was Prima. In which case, his entry has to be changed to make that clear. - Starfield 02:26, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
- Powerful Robot being Prima makes no damn sense at all. We see his creation, on screen, and it sure as hell wasn't as one of the original 13 Primus made way back before any Quintessons were around. --KilMichaelMcC 16:29, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- The G1 cartoon not aligning with later retcons is not a new thing. —Interrobang 16:32, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- I also really hate after-the-fact presumptions and limitations on what prehistoric TFs actually could do / were doing, and like to minimize them as much as possible. Prima was there now? Well, if you say so. Since he was all godly and shit, let's say he was on the astral plane guiding the construction of what would turn out to be his body--so it SEEMED like he was being built, but he really wasn't. This can explain the sequencing too. I don't enjoy bullshit-fu, but it is a defensive martial art. --Thylacine 2000 16:46, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- That is some interesting fanon there, but FFoD tells us/shows us that "Powerful Robot" was recycled from "generic assembly line guy". That isn't an after the fact presumption, it is what happened. - Starfield 16:59, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- There's nothing stopping them from coming up with an explanation along the lines of "this dude was imbued with Prima's essence after being recycled". But we're getting off on a tangent. Regardless of how little sense it may make, canon says it's Prima, so here we go. —Interrobang 17:11, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- That is some interesting fanon there, but FFoD tells us/shows us that "Powerful Robot" was recycled from "generic assembly line guy". That isn't an after the fact presumption, it is what happened. - Starfield 16:59, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- This is a very specific G1 cartoon retcon. I thought maybe there was some logic to it I wasn't seeing. Like maybe Prima was the guy pulled off the assembly line and his essence somehow survived being recycled or something. I guess not. - Starfield 16:59, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- The point is, when you involve divinities, you can handwave away any contradiction as divine intervention and they just have to lie there and take it. His essence was involved SOMEWHERE to keep the sequencing intact. It's "fanon," but since all of the story material depicting Prima as the 1st TF can't go around contradicting itself with him being the 2nd, there is going to have to be SOME response to it on the part of the reader, be it in terms of ignoring it utterly or some form of bullshit-fu. You know where I stand. And no, of course none of that goes in the articles. --Thylacine 2000 17:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- I did not know Prima was a "divinity". For a guy created by the Quintessons from a different dead guy then soon after effortlessly shot dead by Quintessons, I think "divinity" might be stretching it. Where exactly was he depicted as godly anyway? - Starfield 16:11, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
- Have you read Forest Lee's multiversal explanation thing about The Fallen? The Thirteen are pretty much demigods.
- I did not know Prima was a "divinity". For a guy created by the Quintessons from a different dead guy then soon after effortlessly shot dead by Quintessons, I think "divinity" might be stretching it. Where exactly was he depicted as godly anyway? - Starfield 16:11, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
- The point is, when you involve divinities, you can handwave away any contradiction as divine intervention and they just have to lie there and take it. His essence was involved SOMEWHERE to keep the sequencing intact. It's "fanon," but since all of the story material depicting Prima as the 1st TF can't go around contradicting itself with him being the 2nd, there is going to have to be SOME response to it on the part of the reader, be it in terms of ignoring it utterly or some form of bullshit-fu. You know where I stand. And no, of course none of that goes in the articles. --Thylacine 2000 17:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- I also really hate after-the-fact presumptions and limitations on what prehistoric TFs actually could do / were doing, and like to minimize them as much as possible. Prima was there now? Well, if you say so. Since he was all godly and shit, let's say he was on the astral plane guiding the construction of what would turn out to be his body--so it SEEMED like he was being built, but he really wasn't. This can explain the sequencing too. I don't enjoy bullshit-fu, but it is a defensive martial art. --Thylacine 2000 16:46, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
- The G1 cartoon not aligning with later retcons is not a new thing. —Interrobang 16:32, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
Optimus Prime's ancestor
I only know it has been confirmed that Optimus Prime's ancestor has bee assigned to Prima. But I think we need to write down a source in Note section just like how we mention AllSpark Almanac II declared "Powerful Robot" is Prima via an Ask Vector Prime entry. --TX55TALK 03:44, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
