Category talk:Humans
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I just want to point out- I love that Transformers is a world where Darth Vader and Jules Verne get listed side-by-side. -Derik 20:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Nationality categories
Would anybody mind if I made categories based on nationality? —Interrobang 05:22, 22 August 2010 (EDT)
- I certainly wouldn't. ---Blackout- 07:15, 22 August 2010 (EDT)
- Thoughts: The "Humans" category is huge. What is a category that big good for? How is it used? Huge categories like Humans, Autobots, and Decepticons could stand to be broken up, but nationality doesn't seem like a useful way to do it. It would split all the humans up in a way I would never really look for. I don't know about anyone else. Some cases would be ambiguous anyway. The story could take place in America, but sometimes you would have to assume the character wasn't visiting or on a work visa or something. If we were to break the categories up into something more manageable, I would suggest combining "Unicron Trilogy characters" with "Humans" to make a "Unicron Trilogy humans" and "Generation 1 characters" and "Autobots" to make "Generation 1 Autobots". That wouldn't really make more categories since they are combining two categories. - Starfield 21:07, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- This seems a more useful division than by nationality, but there's still a lot to consider with it. Beyond the fact that it would take a LOT... and I mean "metric fuckton LOT"... of work, since categories like "Autobots" are colossal. We'd be going over virtually every character on the wiki.
- There is the question as to what the actual split would be by... continuity family, or franchise? Honestly, franchise seems the better choice, since those are already categories. Replace "Cybertron characters" on each one's page with "Cybertron Autobots/Decepticons/humans" or whatever modifier to "Cybertron" is relevant? --M Sipher 21:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- I was actually thinking of doing that eventually. But I don't see why we can't have both. I still like the idea of looking up all of a country's characters on one page instead of trawling through categories for stereotypical names. —Interrobang 21:31, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- PS franchise is better. —Interrobang 21:33, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- I was kind of undecided about the nationalities, but Starfield makes a good point that there are too many ambiguous characters. Dividing by franchise seems like a good idea. --Khajidha 21:45, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Yea, franchise. I don't know why I said "Unicron Trilogy". - Starfield 21:48, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Could we have, say, Cybertron Humans as a subcategory of both Cybertron characters and Humans? --Khajidha 21:50, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Well, yes. That'd be more or less the point. We'd keep the big over-arcing "______ characters" and "Autobots"/"Humans" etc categories, it's just we'd divvy up everything into franchise sub-categories under those. --M Sipher 22:09, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Just making sure that a subcategory could be under multiple higher categories at the same time, I'm still a little unclear about some things. --Khajidha 22:11, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Well, yes. That'd be more or less the point. We'd keep the big over-arcing "______ characters" and "Autobots"/"Humans" etc categories, it's just we'd divvy up everything into franchise sub-categories under those. --M Sipher 22:09, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Could we have, say, Cybertron Humans as a subcategory of both Cybertron characters and Humans? --Khajidha 21:50, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- I think we can operate under the assumption that they are what fiction presents them to be unless told otherwise. —Interrobang 21:54, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- I can't think of any examples offhand, but what were you planning on doing in the case of Japanese Americans? Or minor characters that aren't presented as any nationality in particular? Would they stay in "humans" until confirmed even if it seems pretty much obvious? - Starfield 22:39, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- This is nationality, not ethnicity, so Japanese-Americans would not be in the Japanese people category unless they also lived in Japan at some point. And ambiguous characters would stay in "humans". That's what I've been doing. (Note by "ambiguous", I mean actually ambiguous. Humans in American settings are seen as American by default unless the fiction shows otherwise in a variety of ways. Default nationality is not ambiguity.) —Interrobang 22:59, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Alright. That's what I would do, too. Just checking. It is too bad the category is limited to humans at the moment. As an anon pointed out, Pyro is British in Wings of Honor. What if the category was "British characters" and listed under "Characters by nationality"? - Starfield 23:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Oh, right, the G2: Redux dudes. They really should have their nationality actually stated somewhere, if not categories. —Interrobang 23:31, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Also the Masterforce Pretenders, since they've integrated themselves into human society. —Interrobang 23:39, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Alright. That's what I would do, too. Just checking. It is too bad the category is limited to humans at the moment. As an anon pointed out, Pyro is British in Wings of Honor. What if the category was "British characters" and listed under "Characters by nationality"? - Starfield 23:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- This is nationality, not ethnicity, so Japanese-Americans would not be in the Japanese people category unless they also lived in Japan at some point. And ambiguous characters would stay in "humans". That's what I've been doing. (Note by "ambiguous", I mean actually ambiguous. Humans in American settings are seen as American by default unless the fiction shows otherwise in a variety of ways. Default nationality is not ambiguity.) —Interrobang 22:59, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- I can't think of any examples offhand, but what were you planning on doing in the case of Japanese Americans? Or minor characters that aren't presented as any nationality in particular? Would they stay in "humans" until confirmed even if it seems pretty much obvious? - Starfield 22:39, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Yea, franchise. I don't know why I said "Unicron Trilogy". - Starfield 21:48, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- I was kind of undecided about the nationalities, but Starfield makes a good point that there are too many ambiguous characters. Dividing by franchise seems like a good idea. --Khajidha 21:45, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
- Thoughts: The "Humans" category is huge. What is a category that big good for? How is it used? Huge categories like Humans, Autobots, and Decepticons could stand to be broken up, but nationality doesn't seem like a useful way to do it. It would split all the humans up in a way I would never really look for. I don't know about anyone else. Some cases would be ambiguous anyway. The story could take place in America, but sometimes you would have to assume the character wasn't visiting or on a work visa or something. If we were to break the categories up into something more manageable, I would suggest combining "Unicron Trilogy characters" with "Humans" to make a "Unicron Trilogy humans" and "Generation 1 characters" and "Autobots" to make "Generation 1 Autobots". That wouldn't really make more categories since they are combining two categories. - Starfield 21:07, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
