Talk:Pretender
Why are the crossformers listed as Pretenders?
They may belong on the pretender page- but surely they need a separate sub-sec. -Derik 19:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
IDW
So, why are IDW Thunderwing and Bludgeon's shells listed as "Pretenders" on this page?
At no point in-continuity are they referred to as "Pretender shells". A "bio-cybernetic grafting process", yes; "polydermic grafting", yes; "Symbiotic carapaces", yes; "Exo-shells", yes, "Pretenders" no. This on a wiki that speculates that Spider-Man gets all his powers from his suit because there's no spider-bite reference in a Marvel US TF comic.
Almost none of the opening - about half of one line, dismissed as "also can" - applies to the carapaces. They're not removable and can't act independently. They're explicitly not intended as disguise of any sort. They're survival suits permanently bonded to the original robot.
So, ummm... why? - 82.10.138.152 17:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Becasue they're clearly intended to be IDWs reimagining of Pretenders and because Furman has SAID they're IDWs reimagining of Pretenders.--71.235.136.203 17:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, and Spider-Man is "clearly intended" to be the guy that got bit by a spider. But because it's never been mentioned ***in-continuity***, it's taken off the Spider-Man page. - 82.10.138.152 20:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- You're taking that WAY too seriously. The reson it's off the Spider-man page is because it's a joke. It's funny to pretend we don't know they're the same thing because everyone knows who spiderman is and where the powers come from. Running gag. Pretending that these clearly are the IDW versions of Pretenders and that Furman has not said in interviews that they are is just dumb.--71.235.136.203 21:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, and Spider-Man is "clearly intended" to be the guy that got bit by a spider. But because it's never been mentioned ***in-continuity***, it's taken off the Spider-Man page. - 82.10.138.152 20:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Go ahead and reword the IDW section to make it clear that a lot of the intro doesn't apply there, dude. That is sort of the point of a wiki. Fix it, don't just complain about it. --Steve-o 19:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- There comes an "everything you know is wrong" point where it should be spun out to a separate page - I don't think it should be on this page at all, since they're not called Pretenders and don't follow any of the "rules" which define Pretenders.
- But if I did split it out, I'd be reverted. - 82.10.138.152 20:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- And rightfully so. Things vary between continuities, sometimes greatly (see Allspark) but these are clearly mean to be the IDW versions of Pretenders and belong here: Shells that boost power? Check. Pretender toy characters only get them? Check. In shell versions designed to look like TFing versions their old shells? Check. Creators say they're Pretenders? Check. Seperating them is needless and just wrong.
