Talk:Maximal
I... don't really think we need the describe what all the Maximals are doing in each tiny little subcontinuity. That seems really excessive and redundant. --ItsWalky 02:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Total agreement. Drop it all, says I. --M Sipher 03:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hrm, I'm not the only one working on this I see. My approach is pretty different from what Walky has here, so I'll drop it in as a sub-section when I'm done and let God (or possibly the admin) sort out where/how to include it.-Derik 04:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've been pecking at this for a few days, and I want to know what people think.
- "Man is a political animal." -Aristotle Onasis
- After the Pax Cybertronia and the end of the Great War, Autobots were no longer able to define themselves in opposition to their opponents— what are Autobots with no Decepticons to fight?
- The unifying experience for this generation was the the Maximal Upgrade Program , later simply called "the Great Upgrade from Autobot to Maximal." The entire planet's population was rebuilt with new technology, downsizing in the proscess. The old parts of Cyberton had to be abandoned and new, smaller-scale cities constructed on top of them.
- Cybertron also experienced a population boom. While the planet's population could once have been measured in hundreds or thousands, the capital of Cybertropolis alone now has a population of over ten million Transformers.
- To many of this brave new Cybertron, the Great War was a conflict their ancestors fought in, not one they identify with themselves.
This is what I see as the crux point of what 'makes' the Maximals what they are, which is usually casually brushed aside as 'the Autobots changed their name.'
Am I cracked, or is this importat enough to wege into the entry? -Derik 11:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- There should be some note that some Autobots (as distinct from Maximals) do still exist in the Pax Cybertronia era, according to Megatron in "Other Visits." --KilMichaelMcC 14:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm wondering where Derik got the "The G1 populations were just hundreds or thousands." Everything in my entry is taken from somewhere in fiction. Derik's seems more speculatory. "The Great Upgrade from Autobot to Maximal"? When was it called that? --ItsWalky 15:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed on both. I've never heard that population number given before. Did you guess it Derik, or is it from some obscure J-BW guidebook? And "The Great Upgrade" I've heard, but not that extended name. -Steve-o 15:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I am unconvinced that there is anything noteworthy about the construction of the Maximal-era cities over the existing ones - the first episode of BM, not to mention quite a few G1 episodes, make it clear that the surface of Cybertron is completely built over on a fairly regular basis. -LV 18:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly. Gigantiany construction is a Cybertronic constant. --ItsWalky 20:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
"The Great Upgrade from Autobot to Maximal" is a direct quote from Optimus Primal in Sparkwar. He cites it as the reason Iacon was abandoned. So the city abandonment thing is in-text.
The population thing is more speculative, I admit. Internal to the cartoon at least, there were poitns when the total population of cybertron appears to have been 12 or less. And you get things like the summoning in the Marvel comics, where Primus called all Transformers to him... and got like 100? That's why the entry is phrased so carefulyl to refer to the population of CYBERTRON, not TF's all across the galaxy. It's iffy, even then, but it certianly SEEMS that most Maximals were nto Autobots and Decepticons. And if the population of one city was 10 million, Cybertron total must be in the billions. Which... even taking colonies into account, I don't believe the galactic transformer populationw as EVER in the billions in G1. They had a baby boom.
To recap- the City Thing is explicitly stated. The population thing is mroe tenuous. -Derik 22:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Whether it's directly from the script or not doesn't affect whether it's noteworthy. I'd be more inclined to mention it on the page for Iacon. -LV 02:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
