Talk:Bludgeon (ROTF)

Not toy-only?

I know this is probably just the fact that Milne can't stop drawing easter-eggs to save his life, but the third issue of the adaptation, page 8, second panel. Appears to be Bludgeon, along with... Movieverse Banzai-Tron?!--Rosicrucian^Talk 11:41, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Remember, Movie Wreckage also uses that body. He was reformatted to it in Alliance. --ItsWalky 12:47, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

This is very much not Movie Wreckage. This guy has orange armor, a purple samurai-esque helmet, and a silver face, and doesn't really share any design elements with Wreckage.--Rosicrucian^Talk 12:51, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

You mean like a movie-ized version of the G1 Pretender shell? Yea, I see the resemblance. Also Banzai-Tron. - Starfield 19:14, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

At this point, I would be quite happy to count only named characters in an Alex Milne comic... - SanityOrMadness 12:41, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Mainpic

I realize we tend to favor the first body, but would anyone object to replacing his mainpic with his Voyager portrait once we can get a good image of that? It's the more distinct face, relative to his other which is just Wreckage recolored.--Rosicrucian^Talk 01:40, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I'm all for it. Considering the first toy was just a redeco... I think this should also be done with Unicron Trilogy's Thundercracker, since that one was his first distinct design, not to mention the one that appeared in media as Thundercracker and not Powered-Up Starscream. --Detour 02:12, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Indeed - insisting "first body!" on each seems equivalent to insisting on the Bat Primal and Alligator Megatron as the main pics on OpPrimal and BW Megs. - SanityOrMadness 09:33, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I super-like the upcoming Bludgeon toy, and will get that and have passed on the first version, but I really dislike the idea of dumping the non-G1 headshot for the super-G1 headshot. His first body's just as important, and even plays a part in the story of his second! Please let's not do this. --ItsWalky 11:12, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Well Bat Optimus and Croc Megatron also featured in the very first piece of Beast Wars fiction yet we go with gorilla and t-rex for them. Plus, the Wreckage repaint headshot just isn't as nice (not to mention easily mistakable for Wreckage's). This is like favoring Bludgeon or any other Pretender's inner robot as a main pic instead of the more iconic shell design. --Detour 17:55, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I think I already addressed this. As I said, Bludgeon's first body is a very important part of what little story we have for him. It's so important that his second body's bio mentions its removal! That is not like Optimus Primal or Megatron, whose first toy is not connected via fiction. Dumping the first headshot is obscuring half of what we know about this character. --ItsWalky 18:53, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

His first body can't be that important, considering he ditched it for a new one. Not only is the second version more available (being a mass-market release rather than an exclusive) and thus more recognizable, it's also the only body he's used in-fiction, thanks to the Cyber Missions thing. At this point, insisting on using the first body just because it's the first body smacks of being different just to be different. Yes, it gets a reference in the subsequent toy bio, setting it apart from Batimus Prime and Crocatron, but it'd be like obstinately putting Bumblebee's Cybertronian hovercar at the top of his page instead of a VW Beetle, just because that's the first thing seen on the cartoon. --Buttbutt 17:48, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Except Hoverbee didn't have a toy out for a whole year before he got to his second body. --ItsWalky 18:17, 13 March 2010 (EST)

A toy available at only one store and more recognizable for being repurposed as the character it was repainted from. How would you feel about an amalgamated image showing both headshots, so people who never saw the first figure at least know they're in the right place? That way you get to see the head you like, and everybody else who's added to the discussion gets to see the head they like. --Buttbutt 22:51, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

(Furthermore, most of our Pretender pages start out with an image of them in both their robot and Pretender shells. G1 Bludgeon's a very rare exception on account of that comic book cover everyone likes because it's so crazy. If I could replace it (and I kinda want to just to show his robot mode), I'd find another piece of art that showed both modes.) --ItsWalky 18:58, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Not to take away from your general point, but just as a specific point of order - "any other Pretender" would include characters like Starscream, Bumblebee and Grimlock. I don't think anyone world argue that Bumblebee's shell design was the most iconic look for him. - Mammalian Verisimilitude 18:47, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

So now that Bludgeon actually has shown up in a form of media other than that of the toy, should his mainpic be changed to that of the webisode? I like the headpic from the first toy as well, but now we have an actual fiction appearance that could be used.--General Tekno 01:29, 22 January 2010 (EST)

No. Bug Bite had a toy-only history for a while, but we still use art of his original (Transformer) body even though he showed up in fiction first in his second (Transformer) body. --ItsWalky 01:34, 22 January 2010 (EST)

Tanto/Wakizashi named in instruction manual? Huh?

TX55 added a note saying the instruction manual says the shortsword or dagger weapon Bludgeon comes with is named as a tanto... but I do see any weapon named in the instructions. Are they named in the Japanese release? --FFN 05:13, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

Ahh, there we go, Japanese version names the weapons. --FFN 22:11, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

Did the Japanese version use "tantō" or "wakizashi"? Because they're two different blades. --Lonegamer78 01:55, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

It calls the one blade a tantou. You can read it on the instructions, they're clear enough.24.13.125.86 19:20, 28 July 2011 (EDT)

Concept?

So what happened to the concept art of his Cybertron incarnation we used to have?Dead Metal 17:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

I think it was a personal request from Don Figueroa. --NCZ 17:16, 6 July 2010 (EDT)