Talk:Earthforce

Yeah. This article is... sufficient? Maybe? Someone else should take a look at it. The subject's just a little too daunting for me, but I tried. --ItsWalky 19:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I wanna argue about Earthforce continuity!

Marvel UK's big Thing was that Time Wars created a new, subtually altered timeline (resulting in the Marvel US stories.)

In that timeline, Unicron arrives in 1991. I think it's clear that in Earthforce Unicron is still coming- but slated to arrive in 2005. This is the events leaving up the Marvel UK's movie-era stories. "We lost the Matrix, Unicron is coming... but he's still 15 years off."

In which case- there really AREN'T any continuity errors in Earthforce Per-Se... they're just Earth 2 stories, continuing the old universe while the new post-crisis one is running in a splashier fashion. There's some wobbley-ness about just when the break point is, which I think accounts for all the really odd stuff.

Disagreements? -Derik 23:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That's a nice fantheory, but I don't think it has any relevance. --ItsWalky 23:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So in other words- "Unless you have the time to go back and find page-and-pannel references to support this idea, I don't want to wast time discussing it."

...fair enough. -Derik 23:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The other huge problem with this is, simply, that Earthforce has stories leading into it -- starting with "Survivors" that work perfectly in US continuity... until Earthforce interfers. Basically, you're talking bullsnot.

The EArthforce stories clearly aren't trying to form a seperate continuity -- for example, in "Apsects of Evil" Scorponok is stalked by the Micromaster Air Strike patrol, because Furman knows that they belong to Megatron, as per his early US Stories. He also makes reference to the upcoming Decepticon Civil War. But Megatron's DEAD by the time the Civil War takes place -- sorta. He creates ECHOS of what's going to happen.

I think maybe Earthforce, as a term for the divergent continuity, should have its own page -- seperated from Earthforce the team. That way it can be discussed a little more comprehensively. Though I think what you've got there is pretty damn good, Walky.Jhiaxus 23:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Polar bears

I know of the trivia, but I don't have a source I can cite for it. Uh. Anybody remember? Hopefully? --ItsWalky 06:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Found it! The opening background text in the Prey TPB covers this. --ItsWalky 08:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Which issues are Earthforce?

Exactly which issues are Earthforce issues, all UK issues from 261 on? - Starfield 17:21, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Yep. You could probably include the preceding six, too. - Chris McFeely 17:23, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Continuity and Legacy Sections

I just completely overhauled the section on Continuity. The previous basically just provided a Straw Man argument against reconciling Earthforce into the mainline continuity...saying the only way it would fit is some kind of (illogical) concurrent story approach. I think I covered all of the serious approaches to dealing with the Earthforce continuity. If these approaches have proper names, please change it. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of errors, omissions, and typos in what I wrote. I tried to cite the thing like crazy...probably to a fault. Also put in the Legacy section, which has some good arguments for what adding Earthforce to the continuity adds to the story as a whole. I definitely recommend somebody change the caption on the picture. While I didn't want it to reflect the concurrent story approach by claiming characters to be in two places, I also couldn't think of anything funny to say for some reason. F-Cuzz 01:36, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

How about the correct approach? The comics are fairly clear, and the Letter Page make it even clearer. (Of course, if you've read the Earthforce run via TPB's, that make the continuity harder to see than reading them in the order they were published.) Note for clarity: There is not fandom consensus on this, this is just Derik calling everyone else's view dumb. -Derik 02:48, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

I definitely have not read the letters pages. If they specifically supported the Alternate Reality Approach, then please add it to that section. I had assumed anything officially putting Earthforce in another dimension would have been included in the Continuity Problems page that previously existed. As you stated, it doesn't stop the alternate theories in the Fandom from existing!F-Cuzz 15:48, 18 September

Well here below is the answer to all the continuity problems you mention. Note the 3 parallel timelines. Earthforce can easily fit in the main timeline. I have spoken to Simon Furman myself and he said it he could have made it fit using the traditional plot loop. He had to do one big long storyline instead of short stories here and there because of the scheduling problems between the UK and US comics in 1990. I have contributed this list to other websites aswell. Enjoy.

--91.194.221.231 11:24, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS MARVEL COMIC UNOFFICIAL READING ORDER with speculative explanatory notes

Four Million years ago State Games ANNUAL 1986/87 And There Shall Come...A Leader! ANNUAL 1985/86

Several hundred years ago Kup's Story UK#132

1984 The Transformers US#1 Power Play! US#2 Prisoner of War US#3 Man of Iron UK# 9-12

1985 The Enemy Within UK#13-17 Raiders of the Last Ark UK#18-21 The Last Stand! US#4 The New Order US#5 The Worse of Two Evils! US#6 Warrior School US#7 Repeat Performance US#8 Decepticon Dam-Busters! UK#29-30 The Wrath of Guardian UK#31 The Wrath of Grimlock UK#32 DIS-Integrated Circuits US#9 The Next Best Thing to Being There US#10 Brainstorm US#11 Prime Time! US#12 Christmas Breaker UK#41

1986 Crisis of Command! UK#42-44 The Icarus Theory UK#45-46 Dinobot Hunt UK#47-50 Shooting Star US#13 Rock and Roll-Out! US#14 I, Robot Master US#15 Plight of the Bumblebee US#16 Victory ANNUAL 1986/87 Robot Buster UK#59-60 Devastation Derby UK#61-62 Second Generation! UK#63-65 The Smelting Pool US#17 In the Beginning... ANNUAL 1986/87 To a Power Unknown ANNUAL 1986/87 The Bridge to Nowhere US#18 Command Performances US#19 Showdown US#20 In The National Interest UK#74-77 Original Future:1987 Cover UK#100 Original Future:1992 Destiny of the Dinobots! ANNUAL 1989/90 Original Future:2003 Ark Duty ANNUAL 1987/88 Original Future:2006 The Planet Eater MOVIE ADAPTATION#1 1986 continued Target:2006 UK#78-88 Original Future:2006 continued Judgment Day! MOVIE ADAPTATION#2 1986 continued Aerialbots over America! US#21 Heavy Traffic US#22 Decepticon Graffiti US#23 Prey UK#96-97 The Harder They Die UK#98 Under Fire! UK#99 Distant Thunder UK#100 Original Future:2006 continued The Final Battle MOVIE ADAPTATION#3 1986 continued Fallen Angel UK#101-102 Resurrection! UK#103-104 Missing in Action ANNUAL 1985/86 Inner Annual Cover ANNUAL 1986/87 The Gift UK#93 Stargazing UK#145

1987 Hunted ANNUAL 1985/86 Plague of the Insecticons ANNUAL 1985/86 The Mission ANNUAL 1986/87 The Return of the Transformers ANNUAL 1986/87 Blood on the Tracks GI;JOE/TF#1 Afterdeath! US#24 Power Struggle GI;JOE/TF#2 Gone But Not Forgotten US#25 Funeral for a Friend US#26 Ashes, Ashes... GI;JOE/TF#3 ...All Fall Down! GI;JOE/TF#4 King of the Hill US#27 Ring of Hate HEADMASTERS#1 Original future 2007: Wanted - Galvatron Dead or Alive UK#113-114 1987 continued Burning Sky! UK#115-116 Hunters! UK#117-118 Note: In the present Bumblebee (G1) is already Goldbug Fire on High UK#119-120 Vicious Circle! ANNUAL 1987/88 Broken Glass HEADMASTERS#2 Mechanical Difficulties US#28 Crater Critters US#29 The Cure US#30 Ancient Relics UK#125, ACTION FORCE 24-27 Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom US#31 Doomsday for Nebulos ANNUAL 1987/88 Stylor's Story ANNUAL 1987/88 Original future:2007 Headhunt UK#133-134 1987 continued What's in a Name? ANNUAL 1987/88 Grudge Match UK#135-136 Ladies Night UK#137-138 Used Autobots US#32 Child's Play US#35 Spacehikers! US#36 Love and Steel HEADMASTERS#3

Original Future:2008 The Legacy of Unicron! UK#146-151 1988 Toy Soldiers! US#37 Brothers in Armor!! HEADMASTERS#4 Worlds Apart! UK#130-132 The Final Conflict ANNUAL 1987/88 Enemy Action UK#152-153 Trial by Fire US#38 The Desert Island of Space US#39 Salvage UK#160-161 The Saga of the Transformers — So Far! ANNUAL 1988/89 Pretender to the Throne! US#40 City of Fear! UK#164-165 Legion of the Lost UK#166-167 Meltdown UK#168-169 Deadly Games UK#170-171 Wrecking Havoc UK#172-173 Totalled US#41 People Power US#42 The Cosmic Carnival US#43 Monstercon from Mars! US#45 A Bonus Story COMIC ADVERT Original Future: 2008 Prologue UK#180 Original Future: 2008 Epilogue UK#181 Original Future: 2008 Space Pirates! UK#182-187 1988 continued Firebug! UK#188 Chain Gang! ANNUAL 1989/90 Autobot Hostage LADYBIRD BOOK Decepticons Underground LADYBIRD BOOK Dry Run UK#189 Altered Image ANNUAL 1988/89 Ca$h and Car-nage US#46 A Pictorial History UK#200 All in the Minds ANNUAL 1988/89 Cold Comfort and Joy UK#198

1989 Time Wars UK#199-205 The Quest ANNUAL 1989/90 The space-time rift repairs itself Dark Future:2006 The Big Broadcast of 2006! US#44 Dark Future:2006 Inner Annual Cover ANNUAL 1987 1989 continued Club Con! US#47 The Flames of Boltax! US#48 Cold War US#49 Dark Star US#50 The Man in the Machine! US#51 The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire UK#213-214 A Small War! UK#232-233 ignore date Survivors! UK#219-222 Triggerhappy ANNUAL 1989/90 Guess Who the Mecannibals are Having for Dinner?US#52 Recipe for Disaster! US#53 Mind Games UK#243 Two Megatrons UK#244 King Con! US#54 The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship! US#55 (Double) Deal of the Century! UK#228 The Hunting Party UK#229 The Big Shutdown! UK#230-231 Race with the Devil UK#215-216 Deathbringer UK#235-236 Way of the Warrior UK#237 Survival Run UK#238 A Savage Place UK#239 Rage UK#241 Assault on the Ark! UK#242 Back from the Dead US#56 The Resurrection Gambit! US#57 All the Familiar Faces! US#58 Skin Deep US#59 Out to Lunch! UK#240 Underworld UK#245 Demons UK#246 Dawn of Darkness UK#247 Fallen Star! UK#248 Yesterday's Heroes! US#60 Primal Scream US#61 Whose Lifeforce is it Anyway? UK#249 The Greatest Gift of All! UK#250

1990 Bird of Prey! US#62 Kings of the Wild Frontier US#63 Deadly Obsession US#64 Dark Creation US#65 All Fall Down US#66 Dark Future:2010 Rhythms of Darkness! US#67 1990 continued The Human Factor! US#68 Eye of the Storm US#69 The Price of Life! US#70 Grimlock (G1) revives the Dinobots (G1) and arrives back at the Ark. The Nucleon is poured in to many Autobot pods. Megatron (G1) and Ratchet (G1) are the next to be revived. Inner Annual Cover ANNUAL 1989/90 Megatron (G1) escapes. Inner Annual Cover ANNUAL 1991/92 Optimus Prime decides not to surrender but to strike a deal instead Perchance to Dream UK#255-260 The flashbacks take place as follows: Prowl was during “Decepticon Graffiti”. Ironhide was after “Man of Iron”. Sunstreaker (G1) was before “The Enemy Within”. Wheeljack was during “Shooting Star” and Silverbolt was before “The Gift”. Galvatron’s bug accelerated the revival of the five Autobots. During this story the Ark is deserted because the Autobots are striking a deal with Scorponok. The captured Decepticons are released. Scorponok is convinced to return to Cybertron but leaves a contingent of newly repaired Decepticons, led by Soundwave, on Earth. The Decepticons leave first, across the Space bridge. Megatron then meets and leads Soundwave’s group. So Runamuck, Runabout and Motormaster leave and join Shockwave’s group but then Mindwipe and Triggerhappy leave Shockwave. Starting Over! UK#261 Two Steps Back! UK#262 Breakaway UK#263 Once Upon a Time... UK#265 Desert Island Risks UK#264 Life in the Slow Lane UK#266 Note: Mistake – the Decepticon's dialogue is the wrong way round. Shockwave (G1) manages to steal some Nucleon from the Autobots and uses it to revive the Predacons and the triplechangers Snow Fun! UK#267 Flashback UK#268 Mystery! UK#269 The Bad Guy's Ball! UK#270 The Living Nightlights UK#271 Cry Wolf UK#272 Wolf In The Fold UK#273 Where Wolf? UK#274 Secrets UK#275 Bugged! UK#276 Internal Affairs! UK#277 The House That Wheeljack Built UK#278 Divide and Conquer UK#279 The 4,000,000 Year Itch! UK#280 Makin' Tracks UK#281 Optimus Prime returns to Cybertron. On Cybertron, Scorponok has acquired some Nucleon and used it to revive the Seacons. Other injured Decepticons, like the Combaticons, are also repaired. Shut Up UK#282 Manoeuvres UK#283 Assassins UK#284 External Forces UK#285 The Lesser Evil UK#286 Inside Story UK#287 Front Line UK#288 End of the Road! (UK issue) UK#289 Optimus Prime and Scorponok return to Earth. Scorponok has waited too long for Unicron to arrive and no longer believes he exists. The Decepticon Earthforce splits. Some join Scorponok,. Others join Megatron (G1) and Shockwave (G1). Some join Galvatron. Prime Bomb! ANNUAL 1988/89 Inner Annual Cover ANNUAL 1988/89

1991 Dreadwing Down! ANNUAL 1989/90 Cover UK#300 Galvatron (G1) leads his own group of Decepticons in a massive strike against the Autobots. There are massive casualties. Hook, Line, and Sinker arrive on Earth and take Galvatron back to Cybertron The Magnificent Six! ANNUAL 1990/91 Inner Annual Cover ANNUAL 1990/91 During this battle there are many casualties. Megatron (G1) is knocked out and captured by the Autobots. Therefore Ratchet is also deactivated automatically. Prime's Rib UK#235 Note: Ignore date. Arcee (G1) was brought to life with the part of the Matrix that Longtooth sent to Earth. The Decepticon Headmasters teamed up with Shockwave only to deal with Arcee. The entire date must be ignored. The Dinobots are dispatched to Hydrus 4 to bring back more Nucleon. Surrender! US#71 All This and Civil War 2 US#72 Out of Time! US#73 The Void! (Marvel US comic) US#74 On the Edge of Extinction US#75 Still Life! US#76 Exodus US#77 There are many injured Autobots and Decepticons on board the shuttles, mostly Micromasters because of their small size. A Savage Circle US#78 The Last Autobot US#79 End of the Road! (Marvel US comic) US#80 Shockwave and Starscream (G1) leave the Ark before Fortress Maximus returns. They take some Nucleon to revive the de-activated Decepticons on Earth. The Autobots aboard the Ark continue to revive. Optimus Prime returns the Neo-Knights to Earth and meets up with Fortress Maximus The remaining Autobots on Klo return to Cybertron. Optimus Prime regains the Matrix. Another Time and Place ANNUAL 1991/92 The new Nucleon is used and the Autobots regain their transformation capabilities. Shockwave and Starscream are now Action Masters. Devastator is built as an Action Master because the Constructicons cannot combine. Some time later Shockwave’s Decepticons powered by Nucleon, can no longer transform but win a major victory against the Autobots. They take control of the Ark. This prompts the Autobots to create the Action Master process.

1992 Megatron and Bludgeon are both repaired. The Decepticons injured on Klo are repaired. Megatron’s Decepticons arrive on Earth. They meet Shockwave’s Decepticons and reluctantly join forces. The Autobot Action-Masters are given transforming vehicles, partners and weapons. They win a major victory against the Decepticons. Some Decepticons become Action-Masters. They are also given transforming vehicles, partners and weapons. The Decepticons also acquire new Nucleon. The remaining Micromaster patrols are appear, i.e. Hotrod patrol, Military patrol etc. Galvatron returns, joins the Decepticons and is repaired.

1993 The Decepticons leave Earth The Decepticons head for Cybertron. The Transformers fight on Cybertron. There are many casualties including Galvatron and the Last Autobot. The Decepticons lose half their army. The Decepticons leave Cybertron The Decepticons return to Earth The Decepticons stop using Nucleon because its side effects start to take affect. The Decepticons use the new Nucleon to cure themselves. The remaining Decepticons make a last stand on Earth. The Decepticons lose the war. Bludgeon is disillusioned with Megatron and leaves him behind.

Later the Autobots also stop using Nucleon. Ghosts US-G:2#2 Unfoldings GI:JOE#138 Realignments GI:JOE#139 War Without End US-G:2#1 Primal Fear US-G:2#3 Goin' South GI:JOE#140 Sucker Punch GI:JOE#141 Final Transformations GI:JOE#142 All or Nothing! US-G:2#2

1994 Old Evils US-G:2#3 War Without End (UK) UK-G:2#1 War Zone UK-G:2#2 Devices and Desires! US-G:2#4 The Power and the Glory US-G:2#5 The Gathering Darkness US-G:2#6 New Dawn US-G:2#7 Escalation US-G:2#8 Swarm US-G:2#9 Total War US-G:2#10 Dark Shadows US-G:2#11 A Rage in Heaven! US-G:2#12

The alliance is short lived and the Autobots and the Decepticons go back to fighting each other.

1995 Megatron upgrades to his Archforce body. Jetfire (G1) , Strafe (G1) and Air Raid (G1) are injured then rebuilt as Cyberjets. Road Rocket (G2), Road Pig (Decepticon) and the other Generation: 2 'toys' appear.

1996 Optimus Prime gains his new Laser rod/ Illuminator body. Hotrod, Kup and Arcee die. Galvatron returns.

A few years later the Transformers return to Cybertron. Strafe returns to his original body. The Autobots are defeated by Galvatron and the remaining Decepticons. Galvatron then rules Cybertron.

2010 The Void! (UK) UK#251 Edge of Impact UK#252 Shadow of Evil UK#253 White Fire UK#254 The space-time rift erased the original universe so Rodimus Prime (G1) destroyed his time travel device before he realised he was trapped in the wrong universe. Cover UK#150

2356 Aspects of Evil UK#223-227 The flashbacks shown take place in the following order: Megatron was in Original time line:1990, Scorponok was in Original timeline:1991. After Hotrod’s partner Firebolt is killed the Headmasters, Pretenders and Micromasters return to Cyberton. Shockwave was in Original timeline:2003. Then Hotrod became Rodimus Prime. After “Time Wars” he ends up in 2009. Galvatron was in 2009 and Unicron in 2010.

2510 Peace ANNUAL 1988/89 The Autobot civil war ends with the return of Optimus Prime

Thousands of years in the future Alignment TRANSFORCE Many years later the Autobots and Decepticons become the Maximals and Predacons.

Thousands of years in the future The Last Days of Optimus Prime TRANSFORCE

The McDonalds Beast Wars toys debut. The McDonalds Beast Wars metals toys debut. The McDonalds Beast Machines toys debut.

2009 (EDT)

...okay, I have apparently not read to the bottom of the Earthpage article in quite a while. I really think every single "approach" section has to go. --ItsWalky 15:48, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Disambiguation

Since it's looming with the Titan B&W book, what parenthical should this page have? (team), (subgroup) or something else? --Emvee 17:35, 12 April 2011 (EDT)