Talk:The many deaths of Optimus Prime

Games?

I'm just asking, should the Movie games be counted? 76.169.169.60 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I would vote against. Those are more a statement about how games work than about Optimus Prime. JW 12:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

So, the Transformers The Game's Decepticon campaign doesn't count? Thanks for the reply, though. 76.169.169.60 00:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Please indent your replies.

And, yes, that would be my vote. It's the nature of a game, where one can play both sides, that the guys on the other side are gonna die. It's not intrinsically relevant to the "Optimus dies" trope. JW 01:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Megatron's deaths

I've been wondering, since we've got this article out, should we make one on the deaths and resurrections of Megatron? Let's face it: Old Buckethead's been offed a few times in career as well, often for the same reasons (except maybe the Christ one). Should we document those as well? -- SFH 21:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm open to a "The many deaths of Megatron" article, sure. I can think of three or four without trying too hard. JW 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

This subject could almost have it's own category, "The Many Deaths of BLANK." Also, why is Optimus Primal included on this page? He's not Optimus Prime. What do people think of him getting his own "The Many Deaths of..." article?--Suzyprime 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd much prefer Optimus Primal stay here. He's an Optimus, and was the leading character in his show, so I think he best fits here.

As for "The many deaths of BLANK", the thing about Optimus Prime is that a half-dozen different Optimuses have all died. Similarly for a handful of Megatrons. But, in the case of (say) Dirge, there's only one Dirge who died a buncha times, so we can cover that on his page. Similarly, the only Jazz who died is the one from the 2007 movie. Optimus and Megs are the only major cross-continuity characters who have a tradition of dying. (That I can think of.) JW 00:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Does Unicron count?--Apcog 02:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Based on how I understand it, I would say no, since Unicron is just one single entity who travels across the multiverse. -- SFH 02:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

What about Starscream? He died in G1 and was exorcised from several hosts, and the Unicron Trilogy Starscream died at least twice, didn't he? - Semysane 06:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a segment at the end like this-

While Optimus Prime is not the only one to die and be reborn like this, he has done so by far the most. Other characters who have done this somewhat regularly are Megatron (list of Deaths and Rebirths), Dirge (list of deaths), Starscream (list of deaths and rebirths).Shadow Mask Prime 12:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this. We should make the article. Megatron has died or appearently died many more times than Optimus Prime. Yes I know, Megatron almost never dies. But times where like in Transport to Oblivian, where the Space bridge destroys everyone and everything, except Megatron. We should make an article for those.Noob saibot red 14:57, 28 December 2011 (EST)

Well, going from memory, I can think of several for Megatron/G:

G1 Megatron is wounded by Optimus Prime resurrected as Galvatron in the movie, destroying his original body and rewriting his personality.

BW Megatron is plunged into Cybertron's core at the end of BM.

Armada Galvatron is killed midway through Cybertron.

Movie Megatron is rendered comatose and frozen before the first movie (borderline case) and is killed by Prime at the end of the first movie. He's later killed again at the end of DOTM.

Animated Megatron spent 50 years mutilated and offline.

Prime Megatron hovers on the brink of death for the majority of season one.

In addition to this, we have Galvatron's deaths, which are sometimes connected to Megatron and sometimes not. Tom Servo the Great 18:05, 28 December 2011 (EST)

Death Of Ginrai

Now I know he isn't actually Optimus Prime, and only a [s]Pretender[/s] wannabe, but looking at the episode descriptions for Victory, it looks like God Ginrai goes through the exact same process as every other Prime like character, dying then coming back, with a new [s]toy[/s] body, the only difference here being his new body is not very Prime like at all, and he doesn't seem to be the real leader at this point. We have Primal here, so surely we can squeeze in Ginrai's Death too? Shadow Mask Prime 12:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Nop, he is Jinrai not Optimus Prime. Though the darn RTM dub names him Optimus Prime. --TX55 12:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Not even if we state he is not actually Optimus Prime to avoid confusion? Say...

While he is not an actual Optimus Prime, God Ginrai, a "GodMaster" who looks like Optimus Prime (his toy was PowerMaster Optimus Prime) also goes through a similar Death and Rebirth in the Japan Only series of Transformers Victory. His Reborn form looks nothing like Optimus Prime though.Shadow Mask Prime 13:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

crocodile

Do we mention the time when Optimus was changed into a crocodile?

Alligator. And I'd say no, because he wasn't dead. --KilMichaelMcC 19:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

SG Megatron

Should we mention him? (Seeing as he's pretty likely to be dead right now.) ---Blackout- 15:09, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

The page name is The many deaths of Optimus Prime. Um. --TX55^TALK 03:07, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

True but SG Megs' death is a reference to the fact that the leader of the good guys dies often. Hence why SG Optimus hasn't died (and been reborn) yet- because its the job of this universe's megs. Durge 08:27, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

There ought to be articles for the many deaths of Megatron and Starscream. Alientraveller 08:38, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

AHM

My memory of AHM is hazy but Optimus is pretty close to death for the first few issues right? He might not actually be dead but I noticed his death in Escalation was mentioned and seeing as how he doesn't actually die there either I took the liberty of adding AHM in. If the higher ups disagree could I at least get an explanation before it gets erased please. Durge 08:30, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

TF Prime

As of "One Shall Rise pt3", Orion Pax has lost all memory of being Optimus Prime. Does this constitute a death, since Optimus Prime currently does not exist? Rubicon 00:30, 29 October 2011 (EDT)