Talk:Transformers Hall of Fame
Characters
Just out of curiosity, what do they mean by the "character" Optimus Prime? Or is it more of a "name" than a character to be inducted? Khajidha 10:27, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
- To Hasbro, I think they are all pretty much the same character, just reimaged from time to time. Probably even Primal. - Starfield 10:41, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
- That's what I figured. Khajidha 10:50, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
Jazz' bio
"Before OPTIMUS PRIME became leader of the AUTOBOTS, he was known as Orion Pax and AUTOBOT JAZZ was his closest friend." You could read that as saying Jazz is Dion. Ow. Brain hurting. --Khajidha 10:08, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
- I know that was in jest, but it's still a can of worms we shouldn't open. -- SFH 11:04, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah, I regretted it as soon as that anon tried to add it to the article. Besides, everyone knows Dion is Huffer. ;)--Khajidha 11:16, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
- You know, I used to be kinda looking forward to this Hall of Fame thing, even if I was slightly bitter many of my favourites will never make it. Three bios in and only Grimlock's I consider marginally readable. Geewunling 11:37, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah, I regretted it as soon as that anon tried to add it to the article. Besides, everyone knows Dion is Huffer. ;)--Khajidha 11:16, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
Faction icon
We could use a faction icon for Hall of Fame members. At least the creators. It might be difficult for the characters since they are continuity nonspecific. What should the picture be? Just a star? - Starfield 10:43, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
Mistake on Hasbro press release with Japanese designer names?
On the wiki, we usually use names and make articles with them in the western style (given name first, family name second). However, on Hasbro's press release they display Hideaki Yoke's name in the Japanese style (surname first, given name second), and then go on to refer to his first name as if it's his surname. Kojin Ohno's name is inconsistently displayed in the western style, but they correctly refer to Ohno as his surname (at least according to this english-language article uses "Ohno" as his surname). Did Hasbro screw up? Somebody has already listed Kojin Ohno's named in the western style, but linked it in the Japanese style. Finally, while searching for info, it seems most of the internet spells Kojin Ohno's name as "Koujin". Now I don't know what source to trust, unless Kojin Ohno and Koujin Ohno are two different people. Erm, halp, people with actual experience in Japanese. --FFN 14:12, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
- Just inconsistent romanization. The search results for Ōno-san's name in both kanji and hiragana bear out that the vowel is extended for both his first and last name. So with our adopted standard of using macrons to indicate extended Japanese vowels, we'd write it Kōjin Ōno. And yeah, whoever wrote the Hasbro article also goofed on Yoke-san's name.--Apcog 16:56, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
- Okay, I'm confused - in english, without the whole asian naming convention thing, is Kojin is surname or his given name? What about article titles? A lot of the Takara designer articles I created were straight up english interpretations of their names (mainly according to how Sydneyy spelled them in his translated Takara designer interviews on TFW2005). --FFN 19:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
- Kojin is the given name. Can you list/link to the translated interviews Sydney worked on at TFW? --Lonegamer78 21:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
- Sorry, I had a Senior Senility Moment. I've fixed the name order in my previous response here, so as to make it easier reading later on, but for the record, I had it in Asian order and misused Ōno-san's first name as his last name. I hang my head in shame for not taking a second to transpose the names from the way they're written in the search results.--Apcog 04:52, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
- Kojin is the given name. Can you list/link to the translated interviews Sydney worked on at TFW? --Lonegamer78 21:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
- Okay, I'm confused - in english, without the whole asian naming convention thing, is Kojin is surname or his given name? What about article titles? A lot of the Takara designer articles I created were straight up english interpretations of their names (mainly according to how Sydneyy spelled them in his translated Takara designer interviews on TFW2005). --FFN 19:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
Dinobot & Scott McNeil
I don't think there was any blunder on Hasbro's part. There was no speaking for any of the other characters. Peter Cullen just accepted his award as himself, the voice actor of Optimus Prime. He was nominted in name. While Scott is a good reason Dinobot won the award, he is not Dinobot. Why should Dinobot get someone to speak as the character when none of the other inductees did? --Bluestreak7 12:41, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
- Exactly. It would have been bad form and something of an upstaging of Cullen, one of the actual inductees, to have McNeil go up to accept an award as a character when none of the other characters received speeches. --ItsWalky 12:43, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
What incarnations?
The Botcon tribute videos, perhaps not inaccurately for the general public and layman TFan, portray the G1, UT, Movie and Animated versions of Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee and Starscream as the same character. Should we add the HOF insignia to Optimus Prime (Armada), Optimus Prime (Movie), Optimus Prime (Animated), Megatron (Animated), Megatron (Movie), Starscream (Armada), Starscream (Movie), Starscream (Animated), Bumblebee (Movie), and Bumblebee (Animated)? Alientraveller 14:41, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I thought we had already decided to do so. I know there was a discussion on the community portal a while back. --Khajidha 15:01, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah, that these awards were being considered a blanket award to every version of the character was known as far back as the voting process. --ItsWalky 15:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Understood, but should we add the HOF logo to the aforementioned pages or not? --Khajidha 15:11, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I don't see why not. Surprised they haven't been already. --ItsWalky 15:13, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- The Optimus shelf included his Shattered Glass toy. Should we put the icon on everybody's SG analogues as well? And conspicuously absent were the WFC toys (and thus Prime incarnations) of Megs, OP, and BB--so should we leave those analogues out? --Thylacine 2000 15:55, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I can understand that since they're not part of a celebration of a 25-year old legacy. Were the RID characters included the final video of the night or in a display? Alientraveller 16:03, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I would expect to include every Optimus Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, and Starscream ever. That's clearly the intent. --ItsWalky 16:08, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I wouldn't expect it to include BW Megs, but other than that everybody. --Khajidha 17:18, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- And probably not Dinobot (Transmetal), either. JW 17:20, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Why not? --ItsWalky 17:33, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- They're vastly different characters. I doubt even Hasbro considers the G1 and Beats Wars incarnations of Megatron to be the same character, since they both appeared in the same series. The 2 Dinobots could be argued to be basically the same character, I suppose, especially with Dinobot II's heroic sacrifice and all that. -- Semysane
- If Hasbro flags Dinobot II as being Dinobot, I don't see why the "other" Dinobot doesn't get to come along for the ride as well, especially since Starscreams can also be pretty different. "Dinobot" is in the Hall of Fame, same as "Bumblebee," "Optimus Prime," "Megatron," and "Starscream." --ItsWalky 17:57, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I just watched the Hall of Fame videos for Dinobot and Megatron, and the Dinobot video did, indeed, include Dinobot II. The Megatron video, however, did not include Beast Wars Megatron; it only had the G1, Movie and Animated incarnations. Take that as you will. -- Semysane 18:09, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Exactly, besides, the Beast Wars version of the inducted Megatron is this guy. Alientraveller 18:30, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I just watched the Hall of Fame videos for Dinobot and Megatron, and the Dinobot video did, indeed, include Dinobot II. The Megatron video, however, did not include Beast Wars Megatron; it only had the G1, Movie and Animated incarnations. Take that as you will. -- Semysane 18:09, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- If Hasbro flags Dinobot II as being Dinobot, I don't see why the "other" Dinobot doesn't get to come along for the ride as well, especially since Starscreams can also be pretty different. "Dinobot" is in the Hall of Fame, same as "Bumblebee," "Optimus Prime," "Megatron," and "Starscream." --ItsWalky 17:57, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- They're vastly different characters. I doubt even Hasbro considers the G1 and Beats Wars incarnations of Megatron to be the same character, since they both appeared in the same series. The 2 Dinobots could be argued to be basically the same character, I suppose, especially with Dinobot II's heroic sacrifice and all that. -- Semysane
- Why not? --ItsWalky 17:33, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- I don't see why not. Surprised they haven't been already. --ItsWalky 15:13, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Understood, but should we add the HOF logo to the aforementioned pages or not? --Khajidha 15:11, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah, that these awards were being considered a blanket award to every version of the character was known as far back as the voting process. --ItsWalky 15:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
Most importantly... does anybody know the name of the songs for each hall of fame video? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.34.249.124 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 5 August 2010 (EDT).
- Via Devcon on the Allspark:
- Prime was "What I've done" by Linkin Park
- Bee was "The Best" (That song from Karate Kid)
- Megs was "Seek and Destroy" from Metallica
- Screamer was "Danger Zone" (from Top Gun)
- Jazz was "Holding out for a Hero"
- Soundwave was "I love Rock n' Roll" by Joan Jett
- Shockwave was "Final Countdown" by Europe
- Grimlock was the Godzilla Theme
- and Dinobot (nomination version) was "Welcome to the Jungle" by GNR.
The versions on the website use canned music replacements, obviously. --ItsWalky 20:14, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Dinobot's replacement is The Touch, though, which is pretty damned awesome. -- Semysane 20:55, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- No. Dinobot (nomination version) was "Welcome to the Jungle." Dinobot had two videos: one that was presented along with the other four nominees, and one for when he won, which is the one that's online. --ItsWalky 22:45, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
- Man, whatever. We're way off-topic anyway. -- Semysane 02:44, 6 August 2010 (EDT)
- No. Dinobot (nomination version) was "Welcome to the Jungle." Dinobot had two videos: one that was presented along with the other four nominees, and one for when he won, which is the one that's online. --ItsWalky 22:45, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
Prime characters
So, uh, what about the Prime guys? Optimus Prime² and the rest currently lack HoF icons, but personally I'm of the opinion that it's silly to think Hasbro considers them exceptions. --Andrusi 11:21, 8 February 2011 (EST)
- I think that was an oversight when those articles were created. I'm sure that it's Hasbro's intention that future Optimus Primes/Megatrons/etc would be counted as Hall of Fame members. --abates 13:47, 8 February 2011 (EST)
- I think it'll be fine to add them since their bios reiterate their Exodus depictions. So yeah, I'll get round to it unless someone objects or just does it. Alientraveller 19:09, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
Fixing up?
Now that we know everything about the HOF will be a yearly thing, including the fan vote, maybe it's time to move all the inductees down to a dedicated section rather than the opening paragraph? --Detour 00:45, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
Exodus 2011
Is it me or is the word Exodus used A Lot in the 2011 profiles. Not that we needed it, but do you thiink that rates a "note" as shundting these toward being in the Aligned continuity? --76.28.76.206 12:50, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
- The 2010 bios were already aligned continuity too. Alientraveller 13:10, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
- Twice is "a lot"? --Khajidha 14:00, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
Erector note
Has anyone, anywhere, actually said they were voting for Erector because his name is a penis joke? --abates 20:21, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
- Of course not. It's "funnier" if they pretend it's because he represents Micromasters and the Z-listers and bla bla bla. And by "funnier" I mean "not funny at all, really". --M Sipher 20:36, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
- I thought Erector in the Hall of Fame was a joke for an April fools hall of fame at TFW.--Primo 20:23, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
- Actually, a number of people have admitted to voting for him for the penis joke value, but there are others who just wanted to see if they could get a footnote in the lore as far as the Hall of Fame. So it's not all about the boner, despite M Sipher's claims ;) --Boy Blunderous 13:06, 15 April 2011 (PDT)
- And what would that footnote be? The ONLY reason for voting for this guy is that his name is a penis joke. --Khajidha 17:22, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
- Personally, I've been voting for him because he was my favorite Micromaster. I used to play with my Erector daily (so sorry, had to get that out of my system). Seriously though, I have a lot of affection for the little guy. I'd love to see him in the company of Optimus Prime and Dinobot. -- Semysane 18:08, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
- And what would that footnote be? The ONLY reason for voting for this guy is that his name is a penis joke. --Khajidha 17:22, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
What incarnations? Take two.
Are Ratchet (Universe), Ratchet (SG), Soundwave (BW), Soundwave (Cybertron), Sir Soundwave, Ironhide (Energon), Ironhide (Universe), Ironhide (RID), Ironhide (SG), Ironhide (Armada), Cliffjumper (Armada), Cliffjumper (Energon) and Cliffjumper (SG) supposed to get HOF icons too? I could see the two Armada characters being excluded as they are both females, but the others seem like they should definitely be included. --Khajidha 12:35, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
- I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out here. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts Cybertron Soundwave. Alientraveller 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
- I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --Khajidha 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
- I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers Energon Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). Alientraveller 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
- I wasn't there, but everything I've heard suggests that they only used footage that was DVD-quality - so no Cybertron Soundwave at all. -hx 20:50, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, Rik Alvarez, who put the videos together, said he'd have used Animated Waspinator and Grimlock, for example, but he didn't have DVDs of those guys handy. --ItsWalky 20:53, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
- So, what's the verdict? Which versions do we tag? --Khajidha 21:14, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, Rik Alvarez, who put the videos together, said he'd have used Animated Waspinator and Grimlock, for example, but he didn't have DVDs of those guys handy. --ItsWalky 20:53, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
- I wasn't there, but everything I've heard suggests that they only used footage that was DVD-quality - so no Cybertron Soundwave at all. -hx 20:50, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
- I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers Energon Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). Alientraveller 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
- I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --Khajidha 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
Kre-O
What the deal with these guys do we include the versions of Optimus, Bumblebee, Starscream, Megatron and Ratchet as hall of famers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.46.138.214 (talk • contribs).
- I'd say so. Same with the Rescue Heroes versions. --abates 00:00, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
2012 Human inductees?
Do we know who these are yet? I've heard (unsourced) rumors about David Kaye, but I have no clue if anyone has yet been confirmed. - ¡Usa El Queso! Complain here 20:39, 24 February 2012 (EST)
- I don't believe we find out until the ceremony at BotCon. --abates 20:43, 24 February 2012 (EST)
Revamping this page
As we get more and more inductees with the passing years this page seems to be growing unwieldy. Much like the BotCon page before it, I propose (once this years class of inductees is finalized) that this page be trimmed and refocused on the Hall as a general concept with the details of each year being given in separate articles. Comments (for or against) are appreciated. --Khajidha 11:11, 27 February 2012 (EST)
- The main thing this page needs is an upfront basic list of all the Hall of Fame members. Right now you have to scroll halfway down the article before you get to see Bay and Spielberg's names. --KilMichaelMcC 12:01, 27 February 2012 (EST)
- Yeah, I had noticed a similar problem. I'm thinking a table could be good for that. One row for each year, one column for each category (real world, automatic inductee characters, fan vote characters). Maybe separate tables for real world and fictional characters. --Khajidha 14:45, 27 February 2012 (EST)
I like the chapters template way too much. Here's my suggestion anyway:
| Fictional characters: | |||
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2010:
2011:
2012:
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| Humans: | |||
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2010:
2011:
2012:
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--abates 15:59, 27 February 2012 (EST)
- DOO EEEEET --ItsWalky 19:41, 27 February 2012 (EST)
- Just noticed that the changes had been implemented. Good work, abates. --Khajidha 11:07, 11 March 2012 (EDT)
2012 bios
This years bios are up now
What incarnation? Take 3.
Okay, I'm seeing a lot of changes in who is tagged with the HOF logo lately. The ones that stick out in my mind are Starscream (BWII), Grimlock (RID) and any of the Shattered Glass versions. Has Hasbro specifically stated that those versions are not in the Hall of Fame? Can we extrapolate from the fact that Megatron (BW) is a separate character, that Starscream (BWII) is as well? What are our qualifications here? I would feel most comfortable tagging any character with the same name as an HOF member until such time as we are explicitly told that they are separate. Discuss. --Khajidha 16:22, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- When Hasbro inducted Grimlock the brutal, angry t-rex into the Hall of Fame, I'm fairly sure they didn't intend to count Grimlock the calm, upbeat construction vehicle in with that... They were inducting the character archetypes, not character names. Jalaguy 16:30, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- Yes. It is absolutely NOT "everyone with this name." Shockwave the Mini-Con is not in the Hall of Fame. It is "every version of this character." RID Grimlock is a name re-use, not a version of the Grimlock character who's in the HOF. I think Shattered Glass and "Dark Side" versions should be out, too. The Optimus Prime Hasbro put in the Hall of Fame is the Heroic Autobot, not any evil incarnation. --KilMichaelMcC 17:27, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- Many SG toys were in their respective Hall of Fame displays at Hasbro's BotCon booths. Jazz: http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2012/webfiles/DSC_0417.JPG.html Grimlock: http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2012/webfiles/DSC_0418.JPG.html Wheeljack and Rodimus: http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2012/webfiles/DSC_0420.JPG.html --ItsWalky 17:49, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- Yeah, I'd agree that SG characters are fair game - they are versions of those characters - whereas Darkside guys are explicitly separate characters from their namesakes. Jalaguy 17:57, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- SG counts, Darkside perhaps not. But if we were to discount guys like RID Grimlock, where does that stop? Does Movie Wheeljack count? Does Universe Ratchet? Unlike BW Megatron, Hasbro hasn't said one way or the other; I think it best to assume they're counted until/unless information towards the contrary is stated. Stardust262
- With regards to those specific examples, I'd say it's obvious that both of those guys count. Movie Wheeljack is the Autobot inventor/engineer, and Universe Ratchet is an Autobot medic/surgeon. It's really not difficult to decide who fits the archetype and who doesn't on a case by case basis... Jalaguy 04:31, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- But should we be deciding it? Isn't that basically "fanon"? We document official materials and official positions here, are these case by case decisions official? What has Hasbro actually said? --Khajidha 08:16, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- With regards to those specific examples, I'd say it's obvious that both of those guys count. Movie Wheeljack is the Autobot inventor/engineer, and Universe Ratchet is an Autobot medic/surgeon. It's really not difficult to decide who fits the archetype and who doesn't on a case by case basis... Jalaguy 04:31, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- If we include RID Grimlock, where does that stop? --KilMichaelMcC 18:15, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- It doesn't, unless Hasbro specifically says otherwise for a version as in BW Megatron. Stardust262
- The idea that we need Hasbro to specifically say "when we added Grimlock the Dinobot T-Rex into the Hall of Fame that didn't include Grimlock the Random Name Re-Use on a Construction Vehicle" is ridiculous. Was RID Grimlock included in his HOF video? Was an RID Grimlock toy included in the HOF display? I'm thinking the answer to both of those is no. --KilMichaelMcC 10:05, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- If we include RID Grimlock, then we'll have to change the note on this page that says ' They are more like "character names, and the cross-continuity character concepts behind them".' cause RID Grimlock doesn't fall under the Grimlock character concept that appeared on Grimlock's HOF profile. --abates 22:12, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- It doesn't, unless Hasbro specifically says otherwise for a version as in BW Megatron. Stardust262
- SG counts, Darkside perhaps not. But if we were to discount guys like RID Grimlock, where does that stop? Does Movie Wheeljack count? Does Universe Ratchet? Unlike BW Megatron, Hasbro hasn't said one way or the other; I think it best to assume they're counted until/unless information towards the contrary is stated. Stardust262
- Yeah, I'd agree that SG characters are fair game - they are versions of those characters - whereas Darkside guys are explicitly separate characters from their namesakes. Jalaguy 17:57, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- Many SG toys were in their respective Hall of Fame displays at Hasbro's BotCon booths. Jazz: http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2012/webfiles/DSC_0417.JPG.html Grimlock: http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2012/webfiles/DSC_0418.JPG.html Wheeljack and Rodimus: http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2012/webfiles/DSC_0420.JPG.html --ItsWalky 17:49, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- Yes. It is absolutely NOT "everyone with this name." Shockwave the Mini-Con is not in the Hall of Fame. It is "every version of this character." RID Grimlock is a name re-use, not a version of the Grimlock character who's in the HOF. I think Shattered Glass and "Dark Side" versions should be out, too. The Optimus Prime Hasbro put in the Hall of Fame is the Heroic Autobot, not any evil incarnation. --KilMichaelMcC 17:27, 29 January 2013 (EST)
I'm of the opinion of "no" on RID Grimlock having the HOF logo, as KilMichaelMcC noted on the HOF being more archetype than character name. --Lonegamer78 22:00, 29 January 2013 (EST)
- Would it be possible to just contact someone at Hasbro about this? And ask to record the messages, if needed?KrytenKoro 10:25, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- Things do get murky. Unicron Trilogy Optimus Prime is included but is Unicron Trilogy Ironhide? What about Shockblast, who is clearly considered the same guy as far as the HOF video is concerned but has a different name?Riddlerj 16:45, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- Well, Shockblast lacks the name, but has the archetypal appearance and personality of Shockwaves. Ironhide has the name, but doesn't look or act like the Ironhide archetype, so most likely wouldn't count. The fact that Hasbro counts Shockblast as a Shockwave is further evidence that what's important is the character, not whatever name they've been slapped with. Jalaguy 16:53, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- Things do get murky. Unicron Trilogy Optimus Prime is included but is Unicron Trilogy Ironhide? What about Shockblast, who is clearly considered the same guy as far as the HOF video is concerned but has a different name?Riddlerj 16:45, 30 January 2013 (EST)
- But what about Wheeljack (Prime)? He doesn't fit into the traditional Wheeljack archetype but was officially included anyway. Autobot Hunter 21:40, 31 January 2013 (EST)
- I really feel like Aligned Wheeljack fits pretty well with the other Wheeljacks. Just.... look at all of them. G1 Wheeljack was just a battlehungry bruiser who didn't build things in the early Marvel Comics, too. --ItsWalky 22:44, 31 January 2013 (EST)
- Regarding Aligned Wheeljack, Exiles showed that, early in his career, he was very much more like typical Wheeljack portrayal of him being a technical genius, making gadgets and weapons for the Wreckers. His portrayal in TF: Prime just shows how he grew out of that role to embrace his warrior side over time.
- But, regarding Shockblast, I would argue that, while he does indeed have the archetypal Shockwave appearance, he does NOT have the archetypal Shockwave personality. Shockwave personalities are mostly centered around a strong adherence to logic-based thinking, whereas Shockblast's personality centered around his being a psychopathic mass murderer. He was closer to the personality of BW Rampage than any Shockwave persona. --Sabrblade 01:06, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- His toy bio calls him a "a cunning Decepticon warrior and scientist" and a "cold strategist". Something was lost in translation to the cartoon there! --abates 01:16, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- Yeah, I was looking at the toy bio when I wrote that, haven't actually seen the cartoon in full. Although, to be honest, 'really good at killing people' is kind of a stock Shockwave trait too... Look at Marvel, and TFA, and John Barber's movie comics... Jalaguy 04:24, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- Thing is, the cartoon version of Shockblast was the one spotlighted in the video, who was a rather un-Shockwave-like vicious criminal who relished in the misery and brutal suffering of others. He was a crazy, homicidal maniac with a very bad temper and a stark sarcastic, arrogant, and impatient nature. There was nothing logical or scientific about this literal brute. --Sabrblade 13:00, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- If personality factors into it that much, then you get the whole argument about whether G1 cartoon Shockwave and G1 comic Shcokwave are the same character. Not every aspect of a character has to be the same - they just need to be "close enough". In Shockblast's case, he looks just like Shockwave and shares his name in Japan. Faced with that, his personality doesn't seem like a big problem. --Flicky1991 05:09, 7 February 2013 (EST)
- But based on that logic, Energon Downshift belongs in this category. Side note, Thrust (BM) has a hall of fame faction symbol. i assume he falls into the same category as Galvatron (G1) but I wanted to check here before removing it.Autobot Hunter 17:57, 28 February 2013 (EST)
- If personality factors into it that much, then you get the whole argument about whether G1 cartoon Shockwave and G1 comic Shcokwave are the same character. Not every aspect of a character has to be the same - they just need to be "close enough". In Shockblast's case, he looks just like Shockwave and shares his name in Japan. Faced with that, his personality doesn't seem like a big problem. --Flicky1991 05:09, 7 February 2013 (EST)
- Thing is, the cartoon version of Shockblast was the one spotlighted in the video, who was a rather un-Shockwave-like vicious criminal who relished in the misery and brutal suffering of others. He was a crazy, homicidal maniac with a very bad temper and a stark sarcastic, arrogant, and impatient nature. There was nothing logical or scientific about this literal brute. --Sabrblade 13:00, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- Yeah, I was looking at the toy bio when I wrote that, haven't actually seen the cartoon in full. Although, to be honest, 'really good at killing people' is kind of a stock Shockwave trait too... Look at Marvel, and TFA, and John Barber's movie comics... Jalaguy 04:24, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- His toy bio calls him a "a cunning Decepticon warrior and scientist" and a "cold strategist". Something was lost in translation to the cartoon there! --abates 01:16, 1 February 2013 (EST)
- I really feel like Aligned Wheeljack fits pretty well with the other Wheeljacks. Just.... look at all of them. G1 Wheeljack was just a battlehungry bruiser who didn't build things in the early Marvel Comics, too. --ItsWalky 22:44, 31 January 2013 (EST)
- Would it be possible to just contact someone at Hasbro about this? And ask to record the messages, if needed?KrytenKoro 10:25, 30 January 2013 (EST)
