Talk:Ultra Mammoth

Okay, this was previously a redirect page, because the only incarnation of Mammoth before that was the G1 dude. And even though this new Uprising guy is pretty obviously not the same as the G1 version, this really should've remained a redirect, because honestly the G1 Ultra Mammoth is far more well known than a one off mention in a prose story. Escargon (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2015 (EST)

I kind of think the Ultra Mammoth link should go to the version who doesn't share that name with anyone else much more important with a super long page with Ultra Mammoth information buried somewhere in there maybe. --ItsWalky (talk) 21:43, 20 February 2015 (EST)

Yes, he's only a small bit of the page, but as stupid as it is, it would have to go to the far more prominent version, which just happens to be a G1 guy. The Uprising version would link to 2, maybe 3 pages, as opposed to the version who's appeared in 9 stories, counting the I.Q., Timeless, and the latest Club mag story, and probably has more appearances to come. Escargon (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2015 (EST)

i hope what i've just done helps. i tried to put disambiguation-type stuff on Ultra Magnus (G1), Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys, Ultra Mammoth, and Timeless, and i created redirects pointing Ultra Mammoth (BWSG) and Ultra Mammoth (G1) at Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Timelines, and redirecting Ultra Mammoth (BW) and Ultra Mammoth (BWU) (Beast Wars: Uprising or Beast Wars Uprising) to Ultra Mammoth. Does that cover all the bases? See also: Talk:Broken Windshields. --Rhymus (talk) 04:34, 25 February 2015 (EST)

Merge with Ultra Magnus

For all the arguing over whether he's at Ultra Mammoth rather than Ultra Mammoth (BWU) or vice-verse... he's a G1 continuity family Ultra Magnus alternate. That's even the whole point of the "Timeless" alternate that supplies the image. If BWU Mammoth was a Maximal rather than a "Builder", that's no more of an origin divergence than G1 cartoon Dinobots vs. Marvel Dinobots. Or Aligned Tantrums. So he doesn't go in the Classicsverse sections of the page with BWSG Mammoth, but in new sections at bottom of the Fiction section. That's all, unless we want to seriously reevaluate what gets a new page generally. - SanityOrMadness (talk) 21:15, 25 February 2015 (EST)

You mean like Optimus Primal and Megatron? -LV (talk) 21:40, 25 February 2015 (EST)

The BW cartoon universe was given a backstory that included Optimus Prime and a pre-existing Megatron/Galvatron as separate characters. BWU includes no "Builder" Magnus to date.

[Now, if you want to talk about RID'15 Grimlock on that basis...] - SanityOrMadness (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2015 (EST)

No Builder Magnus specifically mentioned, yes, but it would be logical to assume, especially considering "other" characters have named themselves after former Builders in this universe (Optimus Minor, Optimus Primal, Megalligator (all of whom DO have an officially mentioned Builder they're named himself after.) Escargon (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2015 (EST)