Talk:Transformation
"Maintaining a transformed state requires a constant output of energy. The 'base' state for a Transformer seems to vary- sometimes robot, sometimes vehicle or skirmish mode. Most Beast Warrriors have their beast mode as their base state."
Where does this come from? Interrobang 15:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Maintaining a transformed state using up energy comes from "A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court." I don't know where this stuff about Beast Warriors having their beast mode as a "base state" comes from. Or the term "base state" for that matter. If that's not from canon, I'd suggest "root mode," from "The Autobot Run." --KilMichaelMcC 15:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- BM mostly, I knwo there's a similar bit in G1 somewhere... probably not able to switch to vehicle mode due to low power. (It's not jazz's paralyzed half-transformed stated in Desertion of the Dinobots.) -Derik 15:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really see BM as evidence for beast mode being the "root form". They were in beast mode all the time because Vehicon scanners couldn't detect them while they were in beast mode, not because it was their root form or whatever. Interrobang 22:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, but if they were startled, or knocked out, or broke their concentration in some way, they would automatically snap back to beast mode, rather than robot mode. The beast mode was their "default," and they had to teach themselves to transform out of it, unlike the more common method of starting with robot mode, and going to alt mode. - Chris McFeely 22:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- That suggests this is the case only for the technorganic Maximals, not for "most Beast Warriors" as the article reads.--KilMichaelMcC 01:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, but if they were startled, or knocked out, or broke their concentration in some way, they would automatically snap back to beast mode, rather than robot mode. The beast mode was their "default," and they had to teach themselves to transform out of it, unlike the more common method of starting with robot mode, and going to alt mode. - Chris McFeely 22:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really see BM as evidence for beast mode being the "root form". They were in beast mode all the time because Vehicon scanners couldn't detect them while they were in beast mode, not because it was their root form or whatever. Interrobang 22:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Just to pin down the G1 reference, in "Decepticon Raider," Warpath is forced to revert to robot mode, stating that he's getting so low on energy he can't even stay transformed. --KilMichaelMcC 15:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- *glomps* Thank you Ethan! I remembered from viewing the eps there was an instance of explicitly that behavior in the cartoon- but not what ep it was. -Derik 02:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- Just to pin down the G1 reference, in "Decepticon Raider," Warpath is forced to revert to robot mode, stating that he's getting so low on energy he can't even stay transformed. --KilMichaelMcC 15:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
TF cogs?
Has there ever been a mention of a transformation cog outside of metroplex and trypticon?
Also, i take issue with the 'Lithonians dont' transform' thing. They do transform in Marvel UK continuity, as they were seen to do so in the Marvel TF:TM adaption. Put another way- in at least SOME versions of the Multiverse, Lithonians transform. -Derik 02:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Statement weights
I think this article kind of sucks right now. I'm glad to see some of the weirder statements cited, but that's not good enough. I think a lot of the statements made in the opening section are overstated, even if we restrict ourselves just to the continuities they are based on. I think it's clear that transformation usually is *not* a mentally rigorous task, for example. I highly doubt that maintaining a certain mode is more strenuous than maintaining the other except in unusual circumstances (such as, arguably, the BM Maximals). One obscure reference to something in one episode does make a statement multiversal, or even universal when the weight of evidence from other stories in that universe goes against it. Basically, I am inclined to heavily rewrite the opening to make it actually match the vast majority of the fiction. But right now I need to go have lunch. --Steve-o 18:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
