Talk:2005 IDW continuity

Avengers crossover?

It's my understanding that while this is portrayed at a specific point in both New Avengers and IDW's Transformers, it's actually in continuity for neither. So perhaps this needs to be a special note rather than sandwiched between Infiltration and Escalation.--Rosicrucian 17:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I know nothing about it aside from what I've been told here and there, which was just "it goes between Infiltration and Escalation." Is this in an official source somewhere? -- Repowers 17:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely part of IDW continuity, but not Marvel continuity. Spotlight: Ramjet spins off from one of its threads. --ItsWalky 18:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that when it comes to this issue, we might be best to wait for Spotlight: Ramjet and see if it addresses the continuity wierdness at all. - Chris McFeely (not signed in)

Alternate Modes list

Hot Rod should be added to this list, if anybody knows what he's supposed to be. And Blitzwing and Megatron. Astrotrain, Hardhead and Nightbeat too, I suppose, though we haven't seen them transform. -- Repowers 19:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, easily. I was just lifting it from Infiltration's page, as it doesn't belong there.--Rosicrucian 19:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Megatron's entry there seems to imply that he's still a Walther P38. I don't think that's true. If I knew what model gun he is now, I'd've changed it myself. --ItsWalky 21:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Megatron's own character entry identifies his altmode as a P99:

Megatron stayed to guide the second stage of the Decepticons' plans, wishing to try out his new Earth-inspired handgun (Walther P99) altmode. Escalation

This image(Massdisplacement.jpg) and some real-life references can support this assertation, as best as I can make out the comic scan. The details are difficult to be certain of in the final iteration of Megs in that scan, though, and many pistols have similar details. It would have to be a pretty exact match, I think, to certainly say it's any particular gun. --Sntint 22:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

New evidence that IDW is not G1

DonFig: "...and the thing is, I don't consider IDW's take as 'G1'. the stories are not a continuation of the ones from the 80's cartoon or the Marvel stuff. they didn't crash on earth 4 millions years ago and get lodged in a volcano, it doesn't even fit into Beast wars.

sure it's got the same names and elements from G1, but that can also be said with every other series that came and went since G1.

Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, the Movie.. All have elements of G1 in them, all have an Optimus who's a red truck and there's a Yellow car that younger people can relate to. references to Matrixes, Unicrons..etc, but they're not G1." - Starfield 21:46, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

That's not "evidence," that's an opinion, and not one that is related to the wiki's classification system. --KilMichaelMcC 21:55, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. - Jackpot 02:29, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

The redesigns for the ongoing would also indicate to me that it isn't G1. Also, it may be a small point, but the differing origin for characters and gimmicks—that don't match G1 bios—would seem to indicate that it isn't G1. Scourge, Goldbug, Micromasters, Dropshot. Even Nightbeat never being a headmaster. - Starfield 18:33, 16 January 2010 (EST)

The original cartoon didn't match the G1 bios! Their Shockwave wasn't a calculating betrayer, their Sludge wasn't born on Cybertron, their Galvatron wasn't the City Commander. And it had differing origins from other continuities. Were the Dinobots born on Earth or Cybertron? Were the Constructions built on Earth or were they one of the other two origins also presented by the cartoon? Were the Aerialbots brought to life by Vector Sigma or the Creation Matrix? Was Blaster a brooding anti-hero or a hip-hop deejay? These things you bring up in favor of IDW not being part of G1 can be applied to every other aspect of what we all agree is G1. --ItsWalky 18:51, 16 January 2010 (EST)

Are you proposing that the IDW comics are a franchise independent of the G1 franchise, Starfield? Because that's kind of silly. —Interrobang 18:55, 16 January 2010 (EST)

'Too Late' is never a reason to do, or not do, something. However, by just about any meaningful definition that I can think of, IDW is a 'G1' continuity. Virtually every Transformer is recognizably based on one of the original G1 toys. Their personalities draw broadly from these sources. The mechanics of the universe seem far more in keeping with prior G1 incarnations than other continuities. (By which I mean - no minicons or cyberkeys or energon weapons, no Magnus as the Autobot head-honcho, etc.) I just don't see it, at all. Even a little bit. Even the War for Cybertron, which is being touted as a continuity reboot, may prove to be 'G1,' so I'm gonna have to say I just don't see a case here. --Jimsorenson 19:33, 16 January 2010 (EST)

That is what "DonFig" is proposing. "I don't consider IDW's take as 'G1'.... sure it's got the same names and elements from G1, but that can also be said with every other series that came and went since G1." Maybe it is silly, but it can't be that far off. I was just posting some evidence in favor of it being a different franchise. For posterity? In case it splits more? It wouldn't entirely surprise me if it retroactively tied into a new "War for Cybertron" continuity. - Starfield 19:51, 16 January 2010 (EST)

I admit the bio mismatch is a small thing. But I think the Micromasters take that to a new level. They aren't even Autobots and Decepticons. Are they even Cybertronian Transformers or were they from Gorlam Prime? I wasn't clear on that. - Starfield 19:51, 16 January 2010 (EST)

As noted... that's an opinion, not evidence. And really, within context, he's talking about it not being a very SPECIFIC iteration of G1. Splitting it would be pointlessly stupid, especially since now we'd have what, an extra hundred-plus pages of characters with (IDW) now or someshit, when they're pretty much just G1 and are better served within the G1 character articles? Or are we going to split out all the guys who appeared in "Hearts of Steel" too? --M Sipher 20:43, 16 January 2010 (EST)

Ticking the 'not G1' box would still be a bold move, but I think it is worth mentioning that the IDWniverse doesn't mind bringing 'incarnations' of non-G1 characters into the mix. --MissRatbat (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

Recommended reading order

For a long time, I've been thinking that this wiki should provide the service to our readers of untangling all the IDW-G1 mini-series, maxi-series, and stand-alones into one "recommended reading order". I've given it quite a bit of thought, and I've come up with this: User:Jackpot/Sandbox/IDW-G1 recommended reading order I explain my rationales on its talk page. While I admit that some subjectivity had to come into play, I have the hope that the community can either accept the list as-is or come to its own alternate consensus. And, ultimately, I would love to see it incorporated into the navigation, maybe in a similar fashion to how we have parallel navs for the Marvel US and UK comics. The reader really should be able to just click-click-click through the entire IDW-G1 series in a simple and linear way the way they can with almost any other. We editors are as smart and obsessed as they come - IDW's capricious marketing schemes should be no obstacle for the likes of us. - Jackpot 02:29, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

-ations Cast

Call me slow but, is the cast list for the Ations series the full cast? Because its made unclear. If not..is there a place I can see every Autobot and Decepticon that appears in said series? Because I'm curious to know who all shows up in them and to me the list seems too small to be ALL of the Transformers who show up in them. (Or at least the ones that have more than just minor appearances)--Chipmonk328

No, there isn't really a list. It would be nice to have something. As the "-ation" story went on, there isn't really a core cast of main characters to list, so the list would be large. But we have large cast lists in other places. I agree an "-ations" cast list would be nice. - Starfield 19:07, 24 January 2010 (EST)

Character-centric miniserieseses...es

Since IDW seem to be launching more of these, would it be worthwhile agreeing a standard way in which they're listed on here? So far we have The Transformers: Bumblebee, The Transformers: Ironhide and The Transformers: Drift listed. It looks a bit messy, but my attempt to remove the The from the (still red link) Ironhide one was undone. Yeah? YEAH - Guntrip 17:09, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

Argle Bargle alt mode changes!

The intermittent lists of what altmodes folks have... these seem really odd on this page. The AHM section of them seems to be mostly there to be petty about AHM. It's not like we have a section about bellyaching that everyone's in WFC bodies in the RID ongoing. IDW's comics clearly aren't ones that keep bodies consistent for year after year like the original comics and cartoons. This should be expressed generally, instead of snarking about it in specifics when it gets our goat. --ItsWalky 20:45, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

To be fair, it was there when AHM hit because it was the first time this was happening. Now that these spontaneous redesigns have become a more regular thing, yeah. We can do away with that section. --Detour 21:15, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

Post-Revolution page structure

Feels like the overview of events post-Hasbroverse needs to either be reformatted and condensed into one section or deleted, as it makes the complete list of titles in the subsequent section feel redundant, like they're restating the above.

Redoing the "Media" section

Listing the order of books in chronological order is stupid. It might've made sense back when the only books were the occasional prequels like Megatron Origin, but with so many interweaving side stories and prequels like Autocracy and Drift and ROM vs TF, I think it would make more sense to alter the list to be in publication order instead. -- DannyBoy (talk) 00:12, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Well isn't it already listed in publishing order elsewhere? --MistaTee (talk) 01:03, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Makes more sense to me to have it in "read it in this order" order. - TBR (talk) 03:24, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

If our goal is to make it a "reading order" (which it currently isn't presented as), then it should definitely be in publication order and NOT be in the chronological order it is now. Hell, we already have the IDW timeline for that. -- DannyBoy (talk) 10:24, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Um..."reading order" would be chronological order, not publishing order. - TBR (talk) 23:09, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Reading orders should not be based on chronological placement of fictional events; they should showcase how a story folds out. You wouldn't read a story that explains events or character's origins before the introduction of those elements. Escargon (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Yes. Typically stories are told in the order they are for a reason. On top of that, I've seen external criticism of the wiki, from people who are generally on the ball when it comes to media criticism, for overdoing the "in universe events order", which, for something as complex as IDW's fiction, isn't terribly helpful for anyone who wants to read the actual stories and not our recaps. We should ABSOLUTELY have a clear (or as clear as possible) "this is the order in which IDW told us these stories so you can read them in the order they intended you to" listing someplace prominent. --M Sipher (talk) 03:27, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Um, yeah, I would read stories in the order events occured in-universe, and I'm baffled to see I'm apparently the only person like that. - TBR (talk) 04:18, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Oh, it absolutely should be in publication order. Escargon (talk) 09:33, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

In light of the IDW timeline page and the IDW Publishing page, isn't the Media section...redundant anyway? --Xaaron (talk) 12:02, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

I would say so, but I often see people link to this page when answering the question "where to start." So if we can only have one list, I would actually say port the IDW Publishing one over here. -- DannyBoy (talk) 13:08, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

I've made a proposal for an overhaul of this page. Basically, I agree that what we have now isn't working and that (with the continuity coming to a conclusion) we should be doing more to provide a centralised, definitive guide. I've used a similar approach to how I tackled the Transformers Timelines fiction page. Feedback would be much appreciated! --The Wadapan (talk) 16:03, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Other Titles?

With the exception of "Aw Yeah Revolution" I think this whole section should be erased, as it isn't in the continuity and is already all listed on the main IDW page. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 17:55, 8 February 2020 (EST)

Yeah, it made sense when there was only the one IDW continuity, but now it feels out of place here. Moving it to the main IDW page would probably work better. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2020 (EST)