Talk:Afterdeath!

Re: the Protectorbots- they were part of Perceptor's resistance cell on Cybertron a few hundred yeards ago, they're glimpsed in the flashback issue of the Underbase saga, the ones who sent Grandslam and Raindance to Earth. -Derik 10:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we see Defensor there, but that's long before the Autobots had developed combiner technology. I'd either chalk it up as an error, or say that Defensor was modeled on that guy. Chip 12:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I checked, and Sunstreaker's there too. So... yeah. Chip 12:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Combiners were developed centuries ago on Cybertron so it's quite possible that it was Defensor.

(The whole Second Generation thing is kinda a mess.)

I'm not saying the note about this beign the Protectobots first appearance shoudl be excised- but the one there is... unnecessarily long. 'First appearance, may have just been created, though there's some issues, see Protectobot' -Derik 16:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

From Funeral for a Friend!:

• It is presumed that the Protectobots were granted life via the Creation Matrix, since the Autobots currently have no means of getting reinforcements from Cybertron. Yet First Aid's words to Ratchet at the bottom of page 3 (and top of page 4) seem to be words of experience....

That was my source. -Derik 18:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

For the benefit of everyone else, the dialogue mentioned is:

Ratchet: I won't be there, Perceptor. Count me out.

First Aid: Why?

Ratchet: I can't face ANOTHER of my failures, First Aid. You go on without me.

First Aid: Ratchet, like you, I, too, am a doctor. We do the best we can and often it STILL isn't ENOUGH. We're at war with the Decepticons. Casualties are inevitable. Optimus Prime knew the risks better than anyone.

Ratchet: He wasn't just another gun-toting conscript to me, First Aid. He was my friend. I'm staying.

First Aid: I understand your grief, Ratchet, but remember -- we doctors must concern ourselves with those we can still help -- the living. Where there's life, there's hope. There's nothing we can do for the dead.

I don't think any of that implies First Aid's been around for very long. He's just saying various doctor-related platitudes. In my opinion, it sounds like he hasn't been around long enough to be weary of his failures, his lack of cynicism a betrayal of his newness. Either way, this exchange does not give us ammunition in any definitive direction as it pertains to this subject. --ItsWalky 18:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Okie-day, i didn't have the issue handy, glad someoen checked. -Derik 18:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

First Aid is being especially kind since he's a doctor and Ratchet is only a medic. That Ratchet is an ungrateful bitch. -LV 19:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)