Talk:B.O.T. (episode)

Having watched this episode and agreeing with the "Worst episode ever" part, while also noting that we don't subscribe to the concept of "NPOV"...are we maybe being a little too hard on the episode? -- SFH 06:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Not particularly. Destroying the Moon with a cannon that can apparently only be operated by Bruticus to just flood a canyon is a plan that deserves all the ire it gets. Interrobang 06:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it really that much worse than the fortress? -- SFH 06:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. And that's not even taking into account the sheer hateability of the two human leads. --M Sipher 06:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I suppose you have a point, there...okay, just thought I'd bring it up. -- SFH 07:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, it's like Wile E. Coyote, the resources they spend on Crazy Schemes would be better spent on just building a power plant that they can get energy from, without all the 'destruction' that forces the Autobots to intervene. Hell, given they wouldn't be bothering anybody, chances are Prime would just leave them alone. --FFN 12:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I dunno... Megatron seems incapable of even simple energy-gathering schemes unless they involve the destruction of something. On at least one occasion, a normally benign manner of generating energy was used by Megatron in a fashion that threatened to destroy the Earth. (ex: Fire in the Sky). -- Dark T Zeratul 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

We're right. The Giant Purple Griffin was the best he ever did. --FFN 14:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...This episode is ridiculous, but I don't think it's the "worst ever," because it's at least entertaining in an unintentionally-comic way. There are way duller episodes out there (like "Face of the Ninjika"--and I think Blurr's lava orgasm is way more creepy than anything else in the series--well maybe not Prime's "Ahh" while coma raping Elita One (to save her life!)). "Canrnage in C-Minor" is another popular choice for "worst ever," and it's hard to argue with that one on multiple levels. We've also got a pair of Season 3 episodes that involve magic, Dark Ages castles and dragons, and a butler Grimlock (can you tell I abhor Season 3?). Then there's just all-around bad ideas like "Sea Change," spotlighting one of the characters who I'd hate to listen to for 22 minutes, then making him a lovesick Merman that STILL talks like that. --Skywarp, 8/14/13 12:31PM EDT.

Clearly, you haven't had to watch this episode 5,000 frikkin times. . Also, this ain't a discusion board Escargon 12:49, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

I'm just saying that there are a ton of serious contenders for "Worst Episode Ever" at "B.O.T."'s level or worse. Perhaps too many to wrap that particular title around this episode's waist in the Wiki's intro, snarky intent or no. -- Skywarp 8/14/13, 17:01PM EDT.

I think if you list magic and dragons in a season 3 episode as being bad, and forgot it was in season 2 also, it's not that bad. And again, not a disscussion thread. Escargon 17:06, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

I think Roland and Martin are a reference to Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In. MegaBee 21:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Aren't we kind of taking it too far with all the "worst episode" stuff? I mean, almost everyone agrees it's silly, but all the episodes cheat and have animation errors, and the plot really isn't any worse than any other cheesy 1980s cartoon. Sometimes a joke is actually funnier if it isn't used as much, maybe we should cut back in the "worst episode" stuff? - Bumblejumper 00:01, 5 November 2013 (EST)

Receiving, decrypting...

• The speech synthesizer is "rewired" so that instead of "synthesizing and transmitting," it "receives and decrypts." And this somehow lets the kids listen in on a conversation being held in the Decepticon base. WHAT?!

Especially given the context... does anybody else find this part, at least, not to be mind-blowingly confusing? It's hideously contrived, to be sure, but I'd posit that "receiving and decrypting" isn't too far off from "listening" - close enough, at least, not to warrant that huge exclamation of disbelief at the end. Thoughts? Caswin 18:44, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Since there weren't any objections, I changed it to something a little less over-the-top. At which point it was reverted. What? Caswin 18:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just saw a red-link user messing with the funny, which is usually a revert-on-sight thing. Still, the plot point above is indefensibly absurd. "Receives and decrytps" WHAT exactly? Are the 'cons broadcasting their private conversations now?? It's a huge, bizarre stretch (I even thought so when I was 12), and WHAT?? sums it up very succinctly. -- Repowers 19:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes... but you could say about as much for half of the episode. Bear in mind that, as the summary says, it's not the Decepticons broadcasting their conversations to be "received and decrypted" - it's going by what Brawl hears, which makes at least a little more sense. The more I think about it, the less an all-capitals bold-and-italics statement like that seems right - not any more, at least, than it would be for all the other myriad problems listed with the episode. Caswin 17:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Navigation boxes

Rather than have two nav boxes on one page, if we're integrating the Japanese cartoon run into the American run (which makes sense), could we get a two-series nav box for the cartoons, much like we have for the comics?

I don't really know if that's possible. While the insertion of new Japanese episodes intp the US run is comparable to the insertion of new UK material into the US comics run, this isn't the only consideration. The Japanese series actually puts the US episodes in a different order. Like... in American continuity, "Fire in the Sky" comes after "Divide and Conquer," and is followed by "SOS Dinobots," but in Japan, it comes after "Masquerade," and is followed by "Fire on the Mountain." How can you show that without having two nav boxes? - Chris McFeely 22:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, wait. Snap. You mean like this. Well... bugger, that's an evening wasted! - Chris McFeely 22:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Yep, sorry, didn't mean to make that link so hard to find. And yeah, the UK book is all kinds of messy, but the two-series system makes short work of it. Don't despair; it's pretty easy to convert the two boxes into one, once the template is set up. We just need one of the code-knowledgeable folks to set the thing up. -- Repowers 23:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Caption issue

Okay, that caption on the image of the gagged Elise? I think that's got to go. Aside from just being potentially offensive, it doesn't even make sense given that neither the characters depicted in the image nor the episode's writers are Japanese. --KilMichaelMcC 17:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I have to agree. -- SFH 17:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll go along with that. --FFN 17:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Only question is: what do we change it to? --Professor Icepick 17:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Not when Japan is responsible for this.--Dynamus Prime 17:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed captions:

"Putting leaked spoilers on Teletraan I can have dire consequences."

"The mods block yet another anonymous caption bastard."

"And next we'll get that Kicker punk!"

JW 18:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I kinda had in mind something like "This is the light-hearted, end-of-episode comedy beat. No, seriously." --KilMichaelMcC 18:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, yours is better. JW 18:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. --Professor Icepick 18:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

How about... Starscream knows where you've been, girl.--Dynamus Prime 21:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

How's it the worst episode ever?

Tell me why. Please? --Kaon Prisoner 16:30, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

It's all on the page. Why should anyone tell you? Geewunling 16:31, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

Huh... sorry 'bout that. --Kaon Prisoner 16:41, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

Animation by Toei?

I find the episode animated by Toei hard to believe. Y'know the BIG ROAD in the ep? VERY un-Toei-like. --66.82.9.82 20:31, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

Any Practical Reason?

Sky 08:50, 6 November 2011 (EST)Can someone explain WHY they would make an episode like this anyway?

Have you watched a lot of old '80s cartoons? Episodes this bad were common in a lot of series, it's just that the TF fandom is super-organized and has examined things in depth that makes B.O.T. stand out. --Khajidha 11:15, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Sky 18:13, 7 November 2011 (EST)....... Is it bad to admit that I just started watching Transformers?

Sky 20:45, 14 November 2011 (EST)I haven't been able to watch any Transformers episodes because of the time it is on.

There's no shame in it, no, but please keep your discussion related to the page itself in the future. That said, to answer your original question, it probably to do with the staff being on a schedule, having to come up with something to fill up a 49-episode season, and this being what they turned in at the deadline. They tried, man. - Caswin 20:13, 15 December 2011 (EST)

Late response, but also on a note, the end of the season tends to be where "filler crap they couldn't squeeze anywhere else" got dumped before shows started using multi-parters or cliffhanger episodes to book-end their series'. I remember reading that bit from a Flint Dille excerpt for Visionaries (probably a DVD extra). He was wondering why on Earth the last episode of that series was so unrelated to.. well, anything. Apparently season/series enders that aren't cliffhangers can't be winners. And I need to remember to sign my posts so I don't respond to myself six months down the road. Pakopako 17:29, 11 March 11 October 2012 (EDT)

Split

This episode has so many errors, they should have their own page. On purpose, we should spilt the error section into an article called "B.O.T. (episode)/Errors". You know, just to show how many errors there are. Sound good?71.255.175.43 23:30, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

No. I think splitting pages unnecessarily is a bad idea. --abates 23:45, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Also, you don't even get a page length warning. This page doesn't need to be broken down at all. --Detour 23:47, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

I think he's proposing to do it for "comedic effect". --abates 23:53, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Bingo! Yes, that's exactly why!71.255.175.43 15:56, 13 July 2012 (EDT)

That's a stupid reason to split a page. --Detour 16:45, 13 July 2012 (EDT)

I thought it was a bad idea too. It just seemed funny, I didn't know what you would think. The reason was not to split it because it was too long, just because there's a shit load of errors on this page. I still had a feeling you'd say no anyway.71.255.175.43 22:10, 13 July 2012 (EDT)

It doesn't mean it's a bad idea, it just might be bad on the Wiki. Might make a good MST3K skit. And this episode is why Optimus died in the Movie.Pakopako 20:05, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

CHUM

Is it worth mentioning or pointing out any similarity between B.O.T. and C.H.U.M. , a creation in The Simpsons, also built by a character named Martin? Strife3025 19:08, 01 July 2014

The Screaming

Is it really necessary to have "argh" written on this page? I know it was a terrible episode, but writing "argh" on the page doesn't seem very professional. This is a wiki, not a reaction Youtube channel! SuperKilogram (talk) 15:55, 5 July 2023 (EDT)

You do know what site you're on, yes? --M Sipher (talk) 17:35, 5 July 2023 (EDT)