Talk:Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)

Shouldn't the Dinobots be under Beast Machines? X-BoB58

They should be, as they are on BM cards/boxes, and just have a diffrent fastion and series blurb. --FortMax 22:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Species

Regarding:Tigatron (Siberian tiger)

From Wikipedia "The existence of pure White Siberian Tiger has not been scientifically proven, despite occasional reports of sightings of white tigers in the regions where wild Siberian Tigers live. It is quite possible that the gene for white coating does not exists in the Siberian Tiger population, since no pure White Siberian Tigers have been born in captivity even though the Siberian Tiger has been extensively breed during the last decades. The wild Siberian Tiger population was near extinct during the middle of the 20th century, so it is also possible that the Siberian Tigers carrying the gene for white coating died out during this period. More research is necessary before we can fully understand the genetic make up of the Siberian Tiger."

release years

I was under the impression that the "standard" BW toys were released in '96 and '97, and that the Fuzors and Transmetals weren't released until '98. Either that, or the International Tec Spec archive was wrong on release years. --FortMax 22:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Have you considered simply PRESSING THE "SHOW PREVIEW" BUTTON TO SEE WHAT CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING TO THE PAGES RATHER THAN "SAVE PAGE" EVERY TIME SO YOU DON'T FILL UP THE RECENT CHANGES PAGE WITH SIX DOZEN EDITS TO A SINGLE FUCKING ARTICLE? --M Sipher 06:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Tripredacus

Can you explain to the igonrant what the difference between Tripredacus and the Tripredacus Council is? --Crockalley 18:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

One is a political body that's part of the Predacon allience, compossed of the three non-Autobot-or-Decepticon-decended members.

The other is the gestalt super-robot that the three may or may not be able to form.

It's the same sort of difference between Superion and the Aerialbots. ZacWilliam 18:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. --Crockalley 18:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese BW reissues

What exactly is the actual name for the current Japanese BW reissue line? I've seen it listed as Tele-Beast Wars, but can anybody confirm this? Spilgs? --FortMax 13:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Wasp/Hornet

To put this to rest:

Hornets are the largest eusocial wasps, reaching up to 45 millimetres (1.8 inches) in length. The true hornets make up the genus Vespa, and are distinguished from other vespines by the width of the vertex (part of the head behind the eyes), which is proportionally larger in Vespa; and by the anteriorly rounded gasters (the section of the abdomen behind the wasp waist). See wasp and bee characteristics to help identify an insect. (Wikipedia on hornets)

And to clarify, Waspinator is a European Hornet, which does not invalidate his name as hornets are definitely wasps.

Meanwhile, Buzz Saw is a Yellowjacket Wasp. The body types are quite similar, so it's not out of the question for a redeco of one to be the other.--Rosicrucian 00:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I vote for "wasp" on the grounds that Hasbro said "wasp". The early BW toys are not accurate enough, IMO, to particular animal types to really classify them as anything other than Hasbro Says It Is This. For an example, I point to Cheetor, and his redeco Tigatron.

Also, I vote that in that light, this arguement is ridiculous. --Sntint 09:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Sntint. Just use wasp for both. If you really care that much about it, Rosi, just put a trivia entry about it on Waspinator's own page. --Steve-o 20:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Why not give the dichotomous names to the beast modes? It would be easier to identify the beast mode if coupled with a common name.

Bat-Primal and Gator-Megs

Going by the standards we use on other toyline pages, shouldn't they be listed as a two-pack rather than lumped together with the single-pack Basics?--Nevermore 11:40, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Wait... Japanese and American toys in one list with no distinction whatsoever? BotCon exclusives listed alongside the mass releases? WAAAH. Who made this list, Ignash?--Nevermore 11:43, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Looks like there some toys that are missing too... Transmetal Spittor and Transmetal Claw Jaw aren't listed, (even though there's a picture of TM Claw Jaw right there....) nor is the orange Airazor that came with a VHS... There might be more... --Ascendron 13:30, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Apelinq

Apelinq was sold in Beast Machines packaging and should remain deleted from this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.123.128.237 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

In that case, shouldn't he be added to Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)? --abates 15:31, 19 October 2010 (EDT)

Waves

I notice that this page doesn't split up the releases into waves, unlike how we organise, for example, the Armada toyline. This information would be useful to have on here. Since this would make the sections so small, the size classes could be shown in the same parentheses as the alternate mode, e.g. Waspinator (Deluxe wasp). Information about this is practically absent from the wiki, except that the articles on toys from the first wave have a "First wave toy bios" section. --flicky1991 09:16, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing the other day. A quick look for wave information yielded nothing, but my Google-fu is admittedly weak. Jalaguy 10:27, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Wouldn't they still be separated by size class? The "first wave" didn't consist of a mixture of Basics and Deluxes, there was a first wave for Deluxes and a separate first wave for Basics. --Khajidha 10:33, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

But I'm assuming each section would be way too small that way... Hmm... Those "First wave toy bios" sections appear on pages for toys of multiple size classes. --flicky1991 10:40, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Found a source for wave information: http://www.eyrie.org/~dvandom/BW/Phase1/index.html Surely the sensible thing to do would be to drop the year and Maximal/Predacon subsections and organise it the way we do modern toylines: all waves of each size-class in order. I assume the faction-separation is an artefact of the G1 toyline article, where the Autobots and Decepticons were actually in separate assortments a lot of the time. Jalaguy 10:56, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

To Flicky1991 - The first waves of all size classes had bios tied into the later abandoned backstory. That does not make them all the same wave. See wave for more information. To Jalaguy - exactly, this page is organized in an older style that has been abandoned for later toylines. --Khajidha 12:05, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

I see. The pages themselves don't make that obvious. --flicky1991 14:21, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Japanese toyline(s)

So a couple of years ago I reworked the Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers toyline page and merged all the Japanese toylines up until 1990 into the main page, because they were all consistently branded as part of the same line rather than as part of whatever cartoon they were associated with (some of the cartoon titles appear as gimmick-specific sub-brandings, while there are also additional gimmick-specific sub-brandings that do not share their name with a cartoon, and some cartoons' titles rarely, if ever, appear as brandings on the toys' packaging at all) prior to Return of Convoy, which was the first sub-branding consistently used for an entire year's worth of product.

The same also happened with the Japanese Beast Wars lines: There are no "Beast Wars II" or "Beast Wars Neo" brandings on the toys' packaging, it's three years of straightforward "Transformers: Beast Wars", with the fourth year's "Beast Wars Metals" being the only actual consistent sub-branding.

So for the sake of both consistency and accuracy, I propose we should merge the three pre-"Metals" lines into a single page as well (though still divided up into three separate sections for each year, of course), but before we do that, I'd like to clarify a few things:

1) Do we keep the merged list as a sub-section on the US toyline's page, or do we split it out into its own page like we did with the FSRL toyline?
2) How do we merge those pages and still preserve the editing history so all the contributors are properly acknowledged?
3) Where does the "Super Lifeform" portion in the title come from? I only see "Transformers Beast Wars" in katakana on the toys' packaging. EDIT: It's in the cartoon title. Which is not identical to the toys' branding. So we have yet another instance of "applying the cartoon title to the toys because... because".

Your thoughts?--Nevermore (talk) 06:29, 25 July 2020 (EDT)

So several people have suggested in the Discord channel to move everything to a separate "Japanese toyline" article because otherwise the existing page for the US line, which is already very long, would get even longer. Now two questions remain:

1) How do I merge all those pages and still preserve the editing history so all the contributors are properly acknowledged?

2) What title should the new page have? "Transformers: Beast Wars (toyline)"? That's also the later title of the Hasbro line. Or "Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)"?

Anyone?--Nevermore (talk) 07:53, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

I don't think we have the ability to merge pages here. (I asked about it some time back and was told that that function wasn't in our copy of mediawiki. That may have changed.) I think the best thing to do is to simply create the new page (with a note in the edit history and on the talk page) and convert all the old pages to redirects to it while placing "Do not delete" notes on them. --Khajidha (talk) 10:26, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Aaaaaand I just noticed we had a separate Japanese BW toyline page until M Sipher merged it into the US toyline page earlier this year. Since I don't want to start an edit war, I hope he'll chime in here and give his own thoughts on the matter. Again, I have no preference regarding "keeping it all on the US toyline page" versus "having it all on its own separate page". The only thing I insist on is that we have the BWII and BW Neo toys on whatever page the Japanese year 1 BW toys are, since they were all branded as the same toyline.--Nevermore (talk) 15:08, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Okay, I gave it a shot here. Any thoughts?--Nevermore (talk) 09:11, 6 September 2020 (EDT)

I kinda feel like Generation 1 (Japanese_toylines) should be the model where we have a hub page linking to a general Beast Wars toyline page (encompassing BW, BWII and Neo) and a seperate page for Metals since the branding was different. That's where the line was drawn with Return of Convoy and Operation: Combination. But also not sure there's enough content to bother splitting Metals out. --Tigerpaw28 (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

I'd agree with that. Metals doesn't need to be split out, it can be a separate section. --Riptide (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

Metals does not need to be its own page; it's clearly part of the JBW line, as indicated by the continued numbering. (ROC should be merged to JG1 too.) Saix (talk) 19:09, 9 September 2020 (EDT) I agree with having all the beast wars Japanese toys in a page similar to Generation 1 (Japanese_toylines) would be more accurate and also more reader friendly. And also edit the franchise page to reflect the changes and be closer to the G1 Page.MrRald (talk) 13:26, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Release years

So, upon some scouring of the alt.toys.transformers archive for research purposes, I came across a conversation suggesting that the European-exclusive VHS packs, listed on this Wiki as having been released in 1998, were actually released in October/November 1999. This is the conversation in question: [1]

Is there any evidence proving that the current information in this Wiki article is actually correct on the release year of these products? If not, I will make the necessary changes. --Digital Collector (talk) 05:29, 6 April 2022 (EDT)