Talk:Call of the Primitives

'Quality of animation'

Is there any proof that another studio (not mentioned in this article, but generally attributed to TMS) animated this episode as opposed to Toei? All we really have going is that whomever animated this episode used completely different animation models with exaggerated porportions and styling. And is being drawn well an indication of good animation, because I don't really see much in terms of animation that's really all that. --FFN 18:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Neither do I. I would argue that Dweller In The Depths or Chaos had much better animation than COTP, and looked much better throughout because everybody was actually drawn on-model instead of being covered with ridiculous giant spikes. --Thylacine 2000 18:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

One thing that always amused me is the oft-cited image of Predaking from this episode that people use as an example of A. How awesome Predaking is in this episode (despite getting his ass kicked) and B. The animation is great. Thing is, that's a pretty bad drawing of Predaking. - FFN

Eh, while that particular image does show proportional consistency, the rest of the episode is quite well animated. Granted it's quite stylized compared to the rest of the G1 animations, it still has little to none animation errors (except Windcharger's revival and a few minor coloring mistakes) as well as the most detailed backgrounds and cels I've seen in any G1 episodes (look at the level of detail on Predaking, Sky Lynx and Trypticon particularly). --Detour 10:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's plainly a different studio- the animation has a different feel to it, not just the modelwork, but shot composition in-betweening, timing, etc... it's liek the difference between Kirby and Ditko. This studio did intermittent action-scene work throughout season 3, but I think this is the only episode they did wholesale.

(I have no knowledge of studios, but my common sense tells me this ep was someone else.) -Derik 11:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I seem to recall someone (Monzo?) mentioning that COTP was using the Studio Ox models as opposed to the regular Dery models.--Nevermore 23:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Laserbeak and Buzzsaw

I have an observation that might move their absence out of continuity error territory: They did not originally have animal-based modes. With the Dinobots, Sky Lynx, the Predacons, the Terrorcons, Ratbat, Slugfest, Overkill, and Ravage, there is no evidence in cartoon continuity that any of them originally had non-beast alternate or primary modes. The cartoon-continuity Dinobots were in fact dinosaur-alt from the very beginning. Laserbeak, on the other hand, was seen to originally have an oval-hulled jet as his primary mode, and the same can be presumed for Buzzsaw. ZeldaTheSwordsman 15:18, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Ashi Productions?

FWIW, This old 2ch thread claims Ashi Productions (Machine Robo) did the episode. Evan1975 12:18, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

Can't quite find it, mind copypasting it onto the discussion?TFanatic 16:01, 14 February 2012 (EST)

Jazz

It's probably complete rubbish, but IMDb credits Peter Marinker as appearing in this episode as Jazz. Jazz doesn't actually speak in this one, does he? --flicky1991 13:31, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

Nah, he just runs past the screen during the scene with Kup. TFFan22 06:23, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

Unicron's head

I don't see how Unicron's head being grey is a continuity error, things that are drained of energy become grey and Cybertron, which Unicron's head is right next to, was drained moments before.omegatron (talk) 09:53, 31 December 2015 (EST)

Nothing in the episode suggests that he was drained of energy, so it stays listed as a continuity error. You could go ahead and point out that he was perhaps drained, but I'd prefer to not remove the note entirely as you did previously. -Foffy the Sheep (talk) 10:00, 31 December 2015 (EST)

I added a note pointing out that Unicron may have been drained of energy. Is this an acceptable compromise? -Foffy the Sheep (talk) 10:52, 31 December 2015 (EST)

If it's gray instead of colored, would that not make it an animation error instead? We count discolorations as animation errors. --Sabrblade (talk) 11:22, 31 December 2015 (EST)

That's true. Should we move it into animation errors? -Foffy the Sheep (talk) 11:55, 31 December 2015 (EST)

I suppose, it just seemed to me like it was supposed to be obvious.omegatron (talk) 07:58, 3 January 2016 (EST)

Rewatching the scene, Unicron's head appears gray right after Tornedron finishes draining Cybertron gray. Since the head is so very close to Cybertron in this scene, it really very much looks to be gray because of the energy-eating Tornedron being right next to the head mere seconds ago. Foffy, the original note was added by an anon, and most likely didn't realize the significance of its appearance coming into view immediately after Tornedron did his work. I say we get rid of the note altogther since it is really neither noteworthy nor informative of any error when one takes what happened in the actual episode into account. --Sabrblade (talk) 09:04, 3 January 2016 (EST)

Meh. Fair enough, I guess. Go ahead and remove it. -Foffy the Sheep (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2016 (EST)