Talk:Cause and Effect

So chronologically.... Optimus and Megatron first met when Megs was arrested and beaten up by Whirl (as remembered by Optimus in Chaos Theory Part 1.) Then this meeting and the rest of Autocracy, right?

'Cause that contradicts Megatron's recollections of their first meeting being at Sherma Bridge. By that point they're both commanding armies in open warfare - it HAS to be well after the events of Autocracy. It seems unlikely that Megatron could possibly forget allying with Orion and later turning on him, and then having him march on him with an army, then throwing down with him.... -- Repowers 22:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

Yeah, I think we probably just have to consider the notion of Sherma Bridge being their first post-Chaos Theory meeting retconned. I mean, it's not the only previous fiction Autocracy overwrote - it also contradicted the notion from 'Bullets' and MTMTE #3 that Megatron assassinated Zeta Prime with a sniper rifle, not by sticking a fusion cannon under his chin. The MTMTE #3 flashback isn't as specific, but 'Bullets' outright described Zeta's head being 'comprehensively emptied by a sniper's bullet'. Jalaguy 03:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

For what it's worth, the Endgame article says the editors have claimed that the Sherma Bridge battle took place before Autocracy, though it's unsourced so I dunno where this claim was made. And yeah, it wouldn't make any sense for Orion to have an army at that point anyway. --Apoc 04:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)