Talk:Celestial

The final few episodes of the anime establish that Artemis and Moon are dimensionally displaced (or something) and appear only as ghostly images that rarefied souls like LioJunior and LioConvoy can see.

Since Moon's BW Sourcebook entry has him as a non-dimensionally-displaced robot, I posit that 'excommunicate' must mean "kicked him out of their dimension/down to the mortal plane." This seems a straightforward reading, so unless someone objects in a bit I'm going to edit the article to reflect the idea. -Derik 16:56, 15 February 2011 (EST)

I fear your use of "or something" in this description gives me pause. - Chris McFeely 17:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

When Moon went down to Gaea to warn the Maximals, he was shown as a see-through figure which no one could see. He finally suceeded in catching LioJuniour's attention-- though at first LJ wasn't sure he'd actually seen him-- like a ghost he had to pay attention to in order to bring into his conscious awareness.

Additionally Moon was affected by the environment around him (thrown around when a stray shot exploded the landscape, etc) which is more akin to how (I gather) someone would react if they'd been temporally displaced as in BW: The Gathering. Thus my 'dimensionally displaced... or something' comment. In the article itself I would probably simply say 'another plane which is imperceptible to...'

(IMO, the series was playing them like spirits or Angels. "Another plane of existence" might be the best bet; it meshes well w/ the Celestial name and 'excommunicate' without actually committing to anything.)

Does this information address your concerns-mu? -Derik 17:22, 15 February 2011 (EST)

I know you don't understand Japanese. I'm aware that making up bullshit from nothing is your tendency, but you are seriously overreaching your boundaries here. —Interrobang 19:34, 15 February 2011 (EST)

Cool! Did you hear that everybody? Interrobang volunteered to tell us what the episode actually says! You're a good man Interrobang, I don't care what anybody says! -Derik 20:17, 15 February 2011 (EST)

I can't understand spoken Japanese therefore you are right? —Interrobang 21:00, 15 February 2011 (EST)

Oh, I thought you could. Bummer.

Regardless, your 'tendency for making stuff up' comment is not conducive to open discussion of issues you may have with other user(s). I wanted to make a note about how the cartoon fit with the IDW retcon and presented my logic here to be checked by other users providing further information when McFeely expressed concern that the proposed text would overreach and present a false conclusion.

In what way am I overreaching my boundaries here?

Do you wish to present a problem with the edit, or do you just want to take potshots at me? -Derik 21:10, 15 February 2011 (EST)

There is no "IDW retcon" in regard to BWII. The IDW chronology has some events similar to the JBW cartoons, but the cartoons themselves are not incorporated in the continuity. Nobody ever said that, nor is the published material (which amounts to... some crappy profiles and a few glossary entries) accurate to the cartoon. —Interrobang 21:23, 15 February 2011 (EST)

Really? I thought it was another alternate take on the same core events of BW2, just like the manga and cartoon where, and establishing a name for an otherwise-unnamed continuity-spanning species or object would naturally carry over to the others.

OTOH, it's been awhile since I read the BWTF guidebook, I defer to you on this matter.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify things for me! -21:32, 15 February 2011 (EST)