Talk:Comperian

Looking at the Super Scrambles image, I don't see anything specifically naming the Autobot Super Scramble combiner, so I'm not sure how it merits a separate, named-character page when the Decepticon Super Scramble combiner doesn't. Of course, now someone's going to point out to me the obvious image with its name clearly visible...--Apcog 15:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Comperion uses Lightspeed as a leg, while Autobot Super Scramble uses Nosecone. The two Decepticon guys have slightly different loadouts as well. --FFN 16:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

All right, so where was "Comperion" named that he merits a separate page?--Apcog 17:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Both the names "Comperion" and "Abomenaticus" appeared on a poster<ref>The good news is I remember I saw it for sure. While the bad news is I can't find it. Argghhh.</ref>from the campaign in Japan during 1987. --TX55 17:25 , 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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I'm... confused? The Decepticon Super Scramble does have its own page.

I'm not entirely sure that Comperion and Abomenaticus (sp) have been named in any recent books or anything; after TX55 put the pages up, I found mentions of them via Google on the Japanese wikipedia page for Scramble City combiners and on that "Steel Age" guy's page about the history of Scramble City combiners which also included the hand-built Scramble 7. The names cropped up on a few other pages, too, but nothing as concrete... if we want better confirmations on 'em than that, somebody would have to ask Fumihiko or Ichikawa, I think. --Monzo 17:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the Decepticon Super Scramble has its own page—as a descriptor for an otherwise unnamed character. So does the Autobot Super Scramble. There is ALSO this page for Comperion, a named version of an Autobot Super Scramble, but no equivalent for the Decepticons. I'm not sure if the concept merits this many pages, really. If "Super Scramble" is simply a combination concept, then the Autobot and Decepticon pages can be...er, combined, with either sub-sections or links for the named Super Scramble robots.

It'd be nice to have more official visible confirmation on these things. I can Google 'em myself, but if you have the links handy, Monzo, it'd be appreciated. (Be nice if FFN could find that poster, too, but what the heck.)

Oh—and I suspect the named Decepticon Super Scramble would be spelled "Abominaticus".--Apcog 18:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean this poster? I know nothing about these things. Only found out they existed earlier today and decided to work on the picture. --FFN 20:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly the image I meant, which is linked near the top of this Talk page. As for referring to you, that was my mistake—I lost track of the attributions somehow. I should have typed "Be nice if TX55 could find that poster," which he's in the process of doing, it seems.--Apcog 02:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I think there's a breakdown in communication somewhere here, so I'll try to get us all on the same page. There are five identified cross-scrambled combiners, and they all have TF wiki pages: the Decepticon Super Scramble and the Autobot Super Scramble, Comperian and Abomenaticus, and Scramble 7.

I became aware of the Super Scrambles first - the art and info for them (linked above) comes from this book, which I do not own but downloaded off someone's webpage which is now gone. (I am still confused as to why they aren't the Cybertron Super Scramble and the Destron Scramble Super, but this is incidental.)

I saw the Scramble Seven combination when I bought Transformers The Comics a couple years ago, but did not know its name until recently.

Comperion and Abomenaticus I did not learn about until a day or two ago, when TX55 created pages for them. They are referenced near the bottom of this page, which gives their katakana as コンペリアン and オボメナティカス. Using google, I found another reference to them on this wikipedia page. There's only a couple of other references to them on the Internet, on Japanese message boards. However, TX55 tells us that they appeared as part of Takara's "Scramble Dai Kessen (The Decisive Battle of Scrambles)" campaign in 1987, and were named on a poster that came out as part of that campaign (however, he can't find the poster now).

So that's where we are right now. As the Autobot and Decepticon Super Scrambles are called the strongest possible combinations within the combiner technology of the time, I don't see a problem with them having their own separate pages alongside the explicitly-named Comperion and Abomenaticus; certainly we already have pages for characters who are only identified by descriptors.

What we really need, I guess, is for TX55 to find the Scramble Dai Kessen poster. --Monzo 23:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

That is no problem, I have started to fine the poster. ;) --TX55 00:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Make sure to impose penalties for lateness. -Derik 00:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Much obliged, Monzo; those were exactly what I wanted to see for reference. The initial link you mention directly states that Comperian and Abomenaticus were indeed introduced on campaign posters and such during the "Operation: Scramble" (Scramble Daisakusen/スクランブル大作戦) marketing push for the latter half of the TF:2010 era. Apparently, the names earned sniggers among some of the fans. When these two were named, the Seacons weren't around yet, so their inclusion had to wait until Ban Magami put "Scramble 7" in the TV Magazine TF manga. (Scramble 7 looks pretty awesome, BTW, but then, I like Magami's art in general.)

Also, it looks like the Comperian page was added after I made my initial comments, so that balances things out. I'm still not sure if there's enough on these guys to merit their own pages, versus just being part of the "Super Scramble" page, but that's just personal aesthetics rather than anything solid.--Apcog 02:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Romanization

"Comperian" is a better romanization, since "Superion" in Japanese is スペリオン (Superion), while this guy gets コンペリアン (Konperian). The "an" comes from the Japanese name for Defensor, Guardian (ガーディアン Gādian). I've moved this page to reflect this. Interrobang 23:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, drat. Now the "compersion" joke makes less sense. Will cut. JW 00:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Element Order

TX55, why shouldn't the elements of Comperian be in alphabetical order? And why are we capitalizing "Torso" and "Left"? JW 01:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I just use the format of Scramble 7's to unify those mix-up Scramble combiner. And about the alphabetical order, I arranged them according to

1. The first subgroups contain the torso.
2. The contrast(or something like that, I don't known which word is suitable at present), that is "Technobot - Terrorcon", "Aerialbot - Stunticon", and "Protectobot - Combaticon".

:D --TX55 04:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)