Talk:Cybershark

Wasn't sure what to do with Hammerstrike here. If you put his bio and Cybersharks next to each other it's pretty clear that they cribbed the whole thing: function, characteristics, heck even the last line which has been on all his specs in some form. With that much simmilarity it suggests to me they're definately the same character. But it's not "official" really. Thus I put it in itallics as a continuity note type thing. Folks cool with that solution? ZacWilliam 11:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I didagree. Given the way TF's change names, it's entirely official. And it was alsmost certainly INTENTIONAL. Ben Yee's site includes (uh, somewhere) an bit about how BM Buzzsaw was suppsoed to be BW Buzzsaw,a nd was at one point goign to be labeled heroic Predacon, but was changed to Maximal to reduce confusion-- BM was a time of consciously revisiting past characters. (And bearign that in mind, when you look at the specs of the BM non-show Maximals, it's clear on almost every one which ones were meant to be Preds.)

In short- i reccomend removing the ambiguity aroudn the issues, because I feel there is none. -Derik 14:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm cool with doing that myself, but folks seem rather picky about staying "official" with the wiki info, so I was just worried that if I made the page that way folks would jump down my throat about them not being 100% blatantly "officialy" the same guy.

If everyone else is cool with it I'll happily incorperate Hammerstrike into the actual entry.

Should they just get the one entry then? How are we handling Goldbug? Though this entry would have much less than that one. I mean giving Hammerstrike his own would be rather redundant if all that goes on it is "BM version of BW Cybershark". ZacWilliam 15:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there's enough evidence to say BW Cybershark and Hammerstrike are the same guy, until IDW's Beast Wars or whatever throws that out the window. (Though there were Hammerstrike "Sharkticons" in Wreckers, until they were recolored later, as the former was a mistake by Dreamwave. That should probably be noted.) And Goldbug redirects to Bumblebee, yes. --ItsWalky 16:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

i think we're using the standard- "What a reasonable person might think is presented with the evidence" on the Wiki. Thus- a reasonable person lookign at both specs side by site would probably conclude they're the same guy. For T-Wrecks though, it's more ambiguious, so it just gets an italicised note and redirects to T-Wrecks entry.

Imo, one of the strengths of wikipedia as a format is the ability to make those notes, since TF is fileld with lots of downright ODD and contradictory cross-connections. -150.253.70.55 16:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: Hammerstrike: Hear me out here, okay? Hasbro has a penchant to use bios, no? We have guys like Drench and Hydradread and Deluge and some random Stormtroopers have their bios and tech specs recycled for the G2 Color Changers, but we consider them separate guys. I mean, there's nothing to say that Cybershark and Hammerstrike are the same person, and really it sounds a wee bit too much like delving into fanwank here. Just because BW and BM Buzzsaw are meant to be the same guy, does that mean Cybershark and Hammerstrike are meant to be the same guys as well? Unless we're doing 'same bio = same guy', in which case the blatantly copied-and-pasted Stormtrooper/Color Changer guys should be merged into one page.

Pronouns

Can we please use they & them instead of he/she and him/her? It's too close to disrespectful referencing of trans people, and I already find this plot's subject matter annoying. Antimatter (talk) 03:06, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

In story itself, Hammerstrike states that he identifies as female once in the TransTech chassis. If anything, a better reflection of the story content would be to refer to the character as "he" before the transfer and "she" after the transfer. Unless further material elaborates on the situation, it seems that Hammerstrike identifies with whatever gender of the chassis the spark itself inhabits. ("I think I'm female now" as opposed to "I think I"m also female now," or something along that.) If further information or story material elaborates further on this, we'll deal with it then. --Ascendron (talk) 04:20, 22 October 2015 (EDT)

Hammerstrike status

I get that Cybershark and Hammerstrike's toy bios are similar, but without any official word ain't it fanon for the Hammerstrike toy to remain on this page? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 19:51, 27 November 2016 (EST)

Yeah, I agree. Back when neither of them had ever appeared in a fiction, it was ambiguous enough. Now that they've both appeared separately in Uprising and other places without drawing a connection, it's more like Slag (G1) / Charger or Manterror / Buzzclaw (BW): worth noting, but we can't assume it's true anymore. --Xaaron (talk) 10:09, 5 January 2017 (EST)

Agreed. It's basically Grimlock and T-Wrecks as well. Saix (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2017 (EST)