Talk:Darksyde (BW)

I've decided on the fan-theory that Terrorsaur named the Predacon ship "The Darkside" himself. Nobody else uses this name, or likes it. When he constantly calls it "The Darkside" all dramatic-like, Megatron rolls his eyes. --ItsWalky 01:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Btw, that was just me thinking out loud. I'm not, uh, proposing that be added or anything. --ItsWalky 02:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It is called the Darkside in the episode blurbs for Equal Measures and Spider's Game in the episode guide for the season 1 Box set. I don't know how much weight that carries, but it is there.Tantrum

Why... so it does. Huzzah! Man. Why wasn't the toy called that? Lame Hasbro! --ItsWalky 03:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Random thought: given that Megatron's rubber ducky is more-or-less given a personality of it's own on it's page, should it be listed as a crew member? Possibly as "Advisor to Megatron" or "The One"? Feel free to completely ignore this, it's just a thought. --199.94.74.239 18:51, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Darkside/Darksyde

It's the Darksyde now, according to BotCon, the article needs changing.

Only the BotCon set calls it "Darksyde", where as the game and DVDs call it "Darkside", so I think it would be cast to handle it like "Tarantulas" vs "Tarantulus", with the original spelling having the article, and the new spelling being a redirect. --FortMax 15:06, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Still, one could argue that the Botcon set are actually toys while the game and DVDs are "secondary sources" (albeit official ones). That would give "Darksyde" primacy despite being a later version of the name.--G.B. Blackrock 16:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I, personally, think that Darksyde with a y should be used, but I think that using "Darkside" and having "Darksyde" redirect would be acceptable otherwise. I've added a note about the different spelling towards the bottom of the page. Amadeus 19:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the article should be moved to "Darksyde," as much I dislike that spelling. --KilMichaelMcC 20:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Kil.

• This is not a new, changed name, we are to understand that this had always been the name, it's just having its official spelling declared now, much as was the case witht he Elita One model kit years after the fact, or Paradron.

• Other sources are 'we sounded out the spelling from the TV show, and this is how we think it's spelled.' Legitimacy for their spelling comes from the show, not the author of the DVD summaries. This spelling does not come from the show- the spelling comes from viewers of the show.

• This toy packaging is the first source to declare a spelling on the basis of its own authority to do so.

• Fundamentally, the LACK of a name on the Predacon Ship with BW10 Megatron, followed months later by the first OFFICIAL name boosts Darksyde's legitimacy considerably. Darkside, despite having been in rotation since 1999 in Game booklets and such was not, in Hasbro's opinion, official enough to make it onto the toy. (or at least nto Copywritten enough, whatever.)

Finally-

• We've never gotten ANYTHING from Hasbro with 'Darkside' as a spelling.

It's not elevating a new spelling over the old so much as- I dont' think it ever HAD an old official spelling. -Derik 22:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, we've got the "Equal Measures" script itself on Ben Yee's website.

31. angle on console

as the smoke clears, revealing Cheetor (robot mode) standing there on the console, looking bewildered.

cheetor(r)

Whoa, what's new, pussycat? Did I get fried? Is this...?

Terrorsaur rises menacingly into FG. terrorsaur(b) (low, evil chuckle)

Welcome to the dark side! (yells) Terrorsaur - TERRORIZE! (SCREECH!)

According to Pete Sinclair, he submitted the name as "Darksyde" to avoid possible trademark infringement with George Lucas, without even trying for "Darkside"; granted, so far as I know trademarks, if they couldn't get "Darkside", there's no way they could have gotten "Darksyde" either - for the same reason we don't have knockoff "Spyder-Man" toys floating around. Still, this is a digression on my part.

I would call this situation fundamentally different from the Elita One/Paradron situation because people made up spellings for those two without having access to the scripts. We HAVE access to the Equal Measures script - it's just that "Darkside" was never supposed to be the ship's name in the FIRST PLACE. But it is now, so I can only complain so much.

As to the actual matter of what to call the article... I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it some more. --Monzo 01:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm kind of confused as to why some people are considering BotCon material more weighty than an equally-officially-licensed video game. In both cases it's simply a matter of "some guy" writing the name the way he felt like writing it and then having Hasbro stamp it because they don't care. If it were a toy directly from Hasbro rather than a convention exclusive, I could see it holding more weight, but... it's not. I see no reason at all to move the article to the new spelling, although a redirect should definitely be there. --Steve-o 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Although no one else has used quite the same reasoning as I have, I think what I alluded to earlier (i.e., the BotCon toys are toys as opposed to other kinds of merchandise. In case of conflict, toys should be given primacy, since Transformers are, after all, toys.) should carry some weight.--71.109.91.2 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references. I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-Derik 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Excelsior

There used to be a trivia quiz on the official Beast Wars website, viewable here. Question 5 lists four ship names, one of these being "Excelsior". As there were only 4 major ships in the Beast Wars cartoon, is it possible that 'Excelsior' was the original intended name for the ship? Megatronacepticon 09:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

4.What is the name of the Maximal ship?

A. The Axalon

B. The Ark

C. Nemesis

D. Excelsior

I suspect it's a Marvel reference-- the Kree are another filler answer later on-- but it's interesting enough to be worth a trivia note I think. -Derik 13:58, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

I was thinking Star Trek reference. It certainly shouldn't be a Trivia note on this page, as the question has nothing to do with the Predacon ship. --KilMichaelMcC 15:46, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

The only reason this trivia note would be notable at all is if the fourth ship name, the Excelsior, were an unused name for the Predacon ship. Since it's just a filler-answer that's a Star Trek reference, it doesn't belong on any page. --ItsWalky 15:53, 9 May 2009 (EDT)