Talk:Deathbringer (issue)

I just re-read Time Wars, and nowhere is it explicitly stated that Prime has the Matrix -- only that he and Rodimus share a link through it. It's possible he maintains some connection to it even when it's not in his possession -- in fact that's implied elsewhere in the continuity, FWIW. -- Repowers 03:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

What Repowers said. --ItsWalky 03:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Page 8 of 204. Optimus Prime: "As wielder of ... the creation Matrix, Rodimus Prime is as much my future self as Galvatron is Megatron's." I interpret this to mean that Optimus Prime is the current wielder of the creation Matrix, thus he is in possession of it. I don't see how he can wield it if he doesn't have it. What is your interpretation of it? (Also, why is my other comment not an error?) --Might Gaine 04:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Because a coincidence, however unlikely, is a story element, not an error. -- Repowers 04:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Right, Furman used it in Yesterday's Heroes, as well, where everyone remembered they had a God just before getting warped down to wake Primus up. That's a deliberate storytelling device, if a retarded one. --ItsWalky 04:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

And as for my other question? --Might Gaine 04:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Prime does not say he currently has the Matrix. Just that Rodimus has it, which makes him his future self just as much as Galvatron is Megatron's. (That, however, makes no sense.) --ItsWalky 04:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Prime's a Matrix Bearer, one of the chosen or whatnot. So's Rodimus. I think that's about all there is to it. It may be a point of confusion, worth an Items of Note entry, but unless the story flat-out states that Prime has the Matrix, it's not really an error. -- Repowers 04:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not convinced. To me, it seems pretty heavilly implied that he still has the Matrix, both by Optimus Prime's statement that I quoted above and by the link through the Matrix. Don't you think Furman would have included a note about the Matrix no longer being in Optimus Prime's possession in that quote if it were the case? As it's written, it could easilly be interpretted to mean that Optimus preserved the Matrix via the disk that contained his mind, since the Matrix was more of an attribute than a tangible thing for Optimus Prime in the comics until Matrix Quest. Thus, the quote is not just vague, it's misleading. And wasn't the psychic link introduced in Matrix Quest, which was after Time Wars? If that's the case, then Time Wars is even further misleading--no one would have known about the link when they were reading the story.

I think it makes more sense to assume that Time Wars wasn't being misleading, and Optimus simply has the matrix at that point. After all, it was written at a time when Furman was not yet crafting the US storylines. And while the Furman stories of that time treated the future's matrix like an object, Budianski stories treated the Matrix like a computer program. Thus, under the US Budianski continuity of that period, there was no reason to think that the Matrix had been lost. It wasn't until Furman started doing the US run that anyone who followed only the US comics could have even suspected that the Matrix was gone. --Might Gaine 05:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

"since the Matrix was more of an attribute than a tangible thing for Optimus Prime in the comics until Matrix Quest." That's absolutely not true in the UK comics. It was a computer program in the US material, sure, but Furman always treated it as a physical object once Target 2006 happened. --ItsWalky 05:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's actually shown as a physical object in Time Wars, hanging out in Rodimus's chest. All the future Autobots are based off of TF:TM, too, where it's likewise a physical object.

Anyways -- the fact that this "error" relies on an interpretation of a line is kind of telling. Why go with the error-generating interpretation instead of the non-error interpretation? Again: Items of Note, not Errors. -- Repowers 05:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Cloudburst's Team

Just looking on the story page and I realized that Cloudburst and Joyride are mentioned as appearing in the issues, but no mention of the third team member blasted by Deathbringer in part one.

I've just looked at John Paul Bove's coloration of the issue and he's guessed at Slapdash. So would we consider to add Slapdash to this page and also update his entry?