Talk:Dent
He is not green. He's yellow. He has green shadows, but his flats are definitely yellow, with no hint of green. He's just Beast Wars Prowl. --ItsWalky 14:39, 25 November 2012 (EST)
- Honestly the BW toy should be listed on this page. It's just BW Prowl, folks. --ItsWalky (talk) 22:44, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- He looks nothing like Prowl. Prowl's lion head folds up into his body, and his legs fold up into his robot mode arms and feet. Dent's lion mode head is on his chest, and at least one pair of his legs is on his back. Escargon (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- don't look now, but a lot of idw designs transform differently from their original toys --ItsWalky (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- "He's just Prowl except for the ways he isn't" is essentially what you're saying. Forgive me if I don't find that a particularly compelling argument. Escargon (talk) 23:46, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- we're gonna do the Goldbug (IDW) talk page again aren't we --ItsWalky (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- You mean the character who is identifiable as the original, versus here where it's at best "inspired" by BW Prowl? No, I don't think this is gonna be that again, because it's not. Escargon (talk) 23:54, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- Personally I'm coming down more on the "probably not a 1-1 reference to BW Prowl beyond the name" side but we could always just ask either Milne or Roberts about it, yeah? Grum (talk) 23:56, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- i mean mostly it's a moot point, earth war's inevitably gonna write bw lion prowl as a different guy, we'll need a page for him, and dent should probably go on it, and the toy will already be on there by default --ItsWalky (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- We don't put, say, Double Punch on G1 Scorponok's page just because he takes design cues from BlackZarak, and we shouldn't put Dent on that page either. Escargon (talk) 09:33, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- I'd put Double Punch on G1 Scorponok's page if we learned his name used to be Scorponok but he changed it because of the other Scorponok. --ItsWalky (talk) 10:37, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- like that's literally the only reason dent exists -- to be an "i'm lion prowl" joke --ItsWalky (talk) 10:37, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- No, the joke is that someone shared a name with a more famous guy. Escargon (talk) 10:42, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- You know what? I'm tired of having to remind you of the other half of the provided information over and over again. It's literally me just "saying A and B!" and you saying "it's just A" and me saying "but what about B" and you saying "it's just B!" and then me saying "but what about A" and then JUST GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES FOREVER and screw that. I'm just ignoring you from now on. --ItsWalky (talk) 10:47, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- No, the joke is that someone shared a name with a more famous guy. Escargon (talk) 10:42, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- We don't put, say, Double Punch on G1 Scorponok's page just because he takes design cues from BlackZarak, and we shouldn't put Dent on that page either. Escargon (talk) 09:33, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- i mean mostly it's a moot point, earth war's inevitably gonna write bw lion prowl as a different guy, we'll need a page for him, and dent should probably go on it, and the toy will already be on there by default --ItsWalky (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- we're gonna do the Goldbug (IDW) talk page again aren't we --ItsWalky (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- "He's just Prowl except for the ways he isn't" is essentially what you're saying. Forgive me if I don't find that a particularly compelling argument. Escargon (talk) 23:46, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- don't look now, but a lot of idw designs transform differently from their original toys --ItsWalky (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
- He looks nothing like Prowl. Prowl's lion head folds up into his body, and his legs fold up into his robot mode arms and feet. Dent's lion mode head is on his chest, and at least one pair of his legs is on his back. Escargon (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2021 (EDT)
Ohhhh-kay. Putting all that aside... I don't think we have to wait for Earth Wars to establish a separate BW Prowl before we give him his own page. It's reasonable to assume that because of EW Silverbolt (who, I guess, goes on Silver Bolt?) Ironhide and Prowl should go on their own pages too. I'm still not certain Dent is meant to be this guy — that flashback panel is distinctly green rather than yellow — but I wouldn't fight it. --Riptide (talk) 10:51, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- Check Sonic and Boom's colors in that flashback versus their real colors. Boom's dark blue parts are a dark green in the flashback. Sonic's purple parts are red akin to the red of the other running guy in the flashback. Everything is green-shifted. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:17, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
- I think Walky's right and that Dent should be at the inevitable Prowl (BW) page. The Joke Of Dent Prowlson revolves entirely around the "same name = same character" back-and-forth debates you see with Beast Wars characters, in particular the likes of the Magnaboss guys. The design is just Milneification; to me, I imagine that he wanted to make it very obvious that he turns into a Lion, because it's Lion Prowl. I can ask JRo if need be, but I think the answer will just be "what? It's lion Prowl but he changed his name to Dent. I don't understand the question". Thinking ahead, the introductory paragraph can have something like "He's not that other Prowl. Sometimes he gets so tired of people thinking he is that he changes his name to Dent." —The Wadapan (talk) 11:25, 5 June 2021 (EDT)
Regarding his color, how is he not green? His panels (like the one used as the main image) in MTMTE #4 aren't flashbacks and he looks clearly green. (I'm not really invested in the greater point of him being BW Prowl, but "he's actually yellow" doesn't make sense to me.) Saix (talk) 14:43, 24 June 2021 (EDT)