Talk:Elder God

Should we just consider this the same as the Elder Gods in Infestation 2? —Interrobang 05:20, 22 January 2012 (EST)

I'm for it, Though what about the X-Dimension? -Derik 18:50, 22 January 2012 (EST)

That website is not official, and therefore irrelevant. —Interrobang 19:54, 22 January 2012 (EST)

It's a viral ad for a comercial product. It's at least apocrypha and we note it as such.

It's also, IIRC, where we get Alexis's name from. -Derik 04:11, 23 January 2012 (EST)

Alexis's name is in the Almanac. —Interrobang 04:18, 23 January 2012 (EST)

*checks the annotations* Ah, she's given a last name for the first time for the second time. Well phrased McFeely, well phrased...

How apocrphal is Alternity Today? The Almanac itself links to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -Derik 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)

It still wasn't vetted by Hasbro. —Interrobang 14:29, 23 January 2012 (EST)

Not all things we consider official on this wiki ARE "vetted by Hasbro." Sometimes they get published in official Transformers things because they're done through an entity they trust/work with often. The publishing is an equally-important factor, I think. If we found out that something in particular on this wiki wasn't precisely okayed by somebody in Hasbro, would we remove it? We have reason to believe that Hasbro's approval was on autopilot during the Furman days. Are we gonna have to start removing Marvel Comics issues?

For example, at last BotCon, Jesse Wittenrich gave me a stack of self-published profiles for various "Around Cybertron" characters. He felt they were official. I said, "Well, did Hasbro okay them?" He said they don't precisely okay everything they do for the Club magazine, and he felt they passed as much muster as any of the other stuff they did. Now, I don't think that stuff he handed me should be in the wiki, really, because even if they weren't okayed the same as some of the Club's other stuff, I still feel like being published via an otherwise official outlet is equally important. An artist's alley table is not one of those things. I don't think my Recordicons poster that I sell at cons is official, for example. It'd have to show up in a club magazine first.

Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. I should add that when I wrote material for Alt2Day, I didn't personally consider it canon, but kept in mind that someone else might consider it to be canon, and kept my additions respectful. I didn't want to accidentally break anything if my intentions were overruled. --ItsWalky 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)

I wasn't using "vetting" in the strict sense. If something has the Hasbro/Takara label on it (or an associated company like Paramount), then I consider that approved and official, regardless of whether somebody's actually paying attention. The alt2day site, as much as I like it, wasn't something that went through Hasbro or its license. —Interrobang 15:33, 23 January 2012 (EST)

For what it's worth, in my opinion, Alt2day.com is non-canon, or perhaps pseudo-canon. It wasn't done through Hasbro at all, but rather was a bit of viral marketing to support the Almanac. Not that I put anything there that I wouldn't have put in the book, or that I treated it any less seriously. But I don't think that I (or anyone, really) can unilaterally create canon. If it hasn't been published, it's non-canon.

(You can make occasional exceptions, like unpublished production material that informed the material we did see. The unused extended TF Universe style bios, for example, are canon in any meaningful sense of the word.)--Jimsorenson 16:05, 23 January 2012 (EST)

Pfft. Keep your authorial intent out of here Jim! ;)

(Unless you want to say whether or not the x-dimension was supposed to be the same as Ramjet's ancient gods or merely an 8unrelated lovecraftian riff.)

I was never saying Alternity today was canon-- I was saying it was apocrypha, some of which we do consider relevant enough to document. (Alignment being the core example, particularly having some in-canon indicator its content is valid, even if that statement comes via an unreliable narrator. Vector Prime's statements about Killzone OTOH...)

Alternity Today was directly linked to by a canon source. IT is still apocrypha but I argue that, like Alignment (which IIRC is documented in character sections with a caveat in some cases) it's apocrypha of the highest order. It should certainly be documentable, where appropriate, provided it is flagged and caveat'd. -Derik 16:58, 23 January 2012 (EST)

Just picking up on one thing you said, in jest, about authorial intent. I'm not commenting on the content in the work, I'm just clarifying how official (or not, as the case may be) the work is. In terms of the content, I believe in letting the work stand (or fall) on its own.--Jimsorenson 16:14, 24 January 2012 (EST)

No no, I'm quite serious about authorial intent... if you hadn't meant them to be the Ancient Gods but the canon favored them being the same I would happily ignore your intentions on the matter. Doesn't mean it's not nice ot know sometimes.

Regardless, they're Elder Gods now, which is the position favored in the canon. I'll probably add a note about Alternity Today... someday. -Derik 02:54, 26 January 2012 (EST)