Talk:Energon

Hey, the BW entry says we never saw any Beast Warriors consuming it, but wasn't BW Megs hooked up to an IV of it while resting in the episode Transmutate? And was otherwise inferred a couple of times.

The Pure Energon/Element/Molecule thing is all from the Blackthorn TF in 3d #1, which is the closest 'scientific' look we've ever had at Energon. It takes place in an alternate version of Season 3.

When/If Energon's entry is expanded beyond a stub status, a notice qualifying this as not beign from mainline cartoon continuity is in order. -- Derik

Oh, good. I was just about to ask about that. I guess I'll go ahead and fix it up, then. --Steve-o 23:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a random thought I had, on Energon as it exists in the fiction as a reflection for the states of matter. Energy- normal energy- acts liek a gast insofar that it disperses. But energon- the most potent form of energy int he XXX... is a liquid- a more concentrated form of energy (and yes, ti has matter associated because you ened somethign to bind that up) whereas the big 'recent' fictive revolution is Energon weaspons- not jsut swords which pulse with raw energon or blades cut from it- but actual PHYSICAL WEAPONS, like guns, composed entirely of 'hard' solid energon. A 3rd phase of matter. (Energon weapons liek that, BTW, are suppsoed to pack 10-20 times the whallop of non-energon weapons.)

And given the general association of Primus with EWnergon and Sparks- is it possible that Sparks are a sort of... solid energon? They're nto HARD liek energy weapons, or liquid... but maybe some other energistic form of the same, liek a standing wave? (We have, at various points, been promised revelations abotu the special affinity of Energon and Transformers life-energy, mostly undelivered by the death of the Energon comic.)

...none of this really 'exists' anywhere in the fiction, I'm just tossing it out as mullable, it's the direction my thoughts are running in.-Derik 17:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there a conection between "Energy Crystals" and Energon

So I'm finally getting around to watching Season 2, and I'm noticing that the writers were apparently very found of the idea of Cristaline Energy as it pops up in many episodes such as "A Prime Problem" and "The God Gambit" yathink that perhaps this is the same stuff as the Natural Energon Crystals in Beast Wars?

In the world of fan-speculation, maybe. Not anything that belongs here, though. --ItsWalky 06:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Rarified Energon it's own entry?

The newest issue of the club magazine introduces the concept of Rarified Energon wich is apparently the TRUE and PURE form of energon and is what both all sparks and all Transformer bodies (!) are made out of. Should that be adapted into this article do you think? Or should Rarified Energon get it's own entry? --ZacWilliam 00:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

At this point I'd say it should simply be added to the current article, although how exactly to wedge it in without mucking up the continuity boundaries escapes me right now. --Steve-o 06:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Comics

I suggest an entry for Marvel Comics. I know energon didn't play a big role (I'm not sure if there was any energon at all). The entry could say something like: "Energon did not exist in the Marvel Universe, they used modified gasoline and other stuff instead." I'm not familiar with all Marvel stories, so I checked this entry for more information and there really isn't anything here. - Starfield 17:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Energon cubes appeared starting with #14. While the role was undeniably smaller and less central- it definitely exists in the Marvel Comics. -Derik 17:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposing move

There's liek 18 bazillion things named Energon ___. Including a franchise. And the Energon in the franchise not only isn't G1 Energon, it cannot be. Energon in the Energon 'toon is an element. A specific and rare substance with wacky magic powers. In G1 it's alien gasoline, and you can make it out of anything, even sound. We do a dis-service to both subjects by trying to cram them into one article.

Energon should direct to Energon (disambiguation) and all existing links to Energon be redirected to Energon (fuel) by 'bot procedure. For/Against? -Derik 19:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

He's got a point. And lots of those meet the notability requirements, so we should probably go ahead and move. -- SFH 20:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Jesus. I can see another week-long disambiguation project coming along. But yes, move it. Jeep! 20:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah, we've got a 'bot that can change all the links to Energon at once. So the only links that will be broken would be... the ones that meant to link to the Candy-type.

Uh... what would we call the Magic Candy? Energon (Energon)? That even more redundant than Moon (moon).

If you want o put off a decision, I've been collecting note on the candy thing to hopefully bash into a coherent whole when i finish smashing my way through the series... -Derik 03:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

"Conceptual history" section

This is a mess - BW presented Energon as a mineral, not an element, and the G1 cartoon's presentation of energon as a fuel made by concentrating other fuels makes it pretty much impossible for it to be an element. - SanityOrMadness 10:30, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

• waves hand* "Mineral", "element", potayto, potahto... - Chris McFeely 10:34, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Beast Wars most certainly did present energon as an element. Megatron, first episode: "What does it matter which planet we're on? We came looking for energon, and this planet is rich with the element." --KilMichaelMcC 10:37, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Essence of Primus?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd always thought that oil, and presumably the energon made from it was derived from dead plants, not alien gods. -unknown guy.

Oil can be processed into energon or an energon substitute (depending on the continuity) but naturally occuring Energon is the "essence of Primus" and the stuff that all TF life is made from. Yes it's a retcon, but it only doesn't work if you're being purposely contrary about it. --76.28.76.206 11:29, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

Chris's rewrite

Just out of curiosity, how many of the various Energon pages are you planning on merging here? Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty much in agreement with the idea, just curious. --Khajidha 20:11, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Oh, I think basically just Energon (fuel) and Energon (Energon). - Chris McFeely 20:13, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

Ah, and probably Liquid Energon too, since that's sort of redundant. - Chris McFeely 12:18, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

Energon crystals could probably be covered here, as could Energon radiation and Energon gas. Energon cubes, Energon goodies, and Energon Sticks could be covered under "Energon storage media" (either a new article or section of this one). Rarefied Energon could probably be merged with Spark. Energon Z, Ultra-Energon, and Super Energon might be covered under an "Energon variants" section. Then again, I could be over-lumping. Just throwing the ideas out for your consideration. --Khajidha 19:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

I don't think we need to be so extreme in the merging. Cubes, goodies and sticks are their own things that play their own roles in plots, so I think they can have their own articles - cubes, if nothing else, I think must, since their huge role in the original cartoon basically makes them how the uninitiated know energon. The idea of not having an article called "Energon cube" seems disingenuous! Crystals, I think, likewise have a big enough role in the plot of Beast Wars, and have enough properties of their own and enough stories sculpted around them that they can have an article of their own (especially since someone actually went to the trouble of already writing it in full!), as does gas in Energon, which I have only touched on lightly here. Basically, I want this article to be a sort of "hub" for energon, talking about its different properties and its basic story role in the various fictions, with any great number of specifics about certain variants of it being handled in their own articles. Imagine how huge this would become (and it's already big, and I'm not done yet!) if I wrote up all the stuff the energon gas was responsible for and how they stopped it and so on, or every energy source that got turned into an energon cube, or every time an energon crystal blew up... And I think that any of the differently-named Super-versions of Energon should get their own too. including Rarified. One thing I think I will over-write and merge is [[AllSpark-infused energon|this spot of Derik-borne oddness]]. - Chris McFeely 04:53, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

I admitted I could be over thinking things. Reading over your response, I think we are closer in spirit than you may initially think. Your idea of a hub article seems like a good one. I only hope that the links from this article to the other articles will be more like what is done for breaking out fiction sections than just a bare link. As the central article, it seems that this one should give a brief description of all forms of Energon with significant variants being handled in detail elsewhere. Mainly, I just want to make sure that all the ramifications are being thought out. Ideas may be discarded, but still have a positive effect on the final decision. --Khajidha 06:29, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

Well, it's my intention to leave those "for further information see" links as they are now. But I am indeed striving to meet the goal you state; that is, to give all forms of energon coverage on this page, with the idea being that a reader can click off for even more details, but get all the relevant info from here alone. - Chris McFeely 06:51, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

I think it'd be a good idea to replace the second image of Movieverse Energon nuggets with something to show Energon = Transformer blood. When Optimus punches Megatron at the start of the forest battle the Energon is actually red! Alientraveller 10:17, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

--ItsWalky 10:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

Gentleman! :) - Chris McFeely

Animated

Well, there's the Maccadam's menu.--Jimsorenson 12:11, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

BW Toys

From the instructions of all the toys that have rubsigns: "Rub hidden Energon™ chip to reveal true allegiance." --FortMax 18:49, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

Ready to roll out?

Thanks for all the input and contributions, chaps! All suggestions well and truly taken on board and added in! I think this is nearly read to go live - I want to get a few pictures for the toy section, get a better picture for the head of the article, and re-write a bit of the cartoon section to talk about Paradron. - Chris McFeely 07:48, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

I'm hitting the hay in a few minutes, but I'm feeling good about releasing this into the wild tomorrow. Last call for any more ideas or things I've missed! I'll check back in the morning. :) - Chris McFeely 21:15, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

Move to plain old 'Energon'?

First, congratulations to Chris McFeely on all his work expanding this most essential of Transformer topics, this has to be November's featured article. Does anyone feel this article can drop the (fuel) disambiguation though, or should Energon redirect here? Alientraveller 11:24, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

It still has to disambiguate with Energon (franchise) surely. --abates 15:41, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

So, why did it get moved? --Khajidha 10:24, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

'cause the Energon franchise got moved to "Transformers: Energon". Therefore there's no article just named "Energon" that this needs disambigged with any more. - Chris McFeely 10:33, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

The Transformers Collection

Should we remove the part where it says The Transformers Collection is the only to date toys of the Energon cubes? The article talks about the cubes that were included in R.E.D toys, and doesn’t include the ones included in WFC, so wouldn’t that make the The Transformers Collection cubes not the only ones? - Randall xCain 10:32 24 March 2023 (EST)

You can do it yourself. You really don't need to start a talk page discussion to remove three words if it's clearly factually incorrect. Saix (talk) 10:54, 24 March 2023 (EDT)