Talk:Hot Shot (Prime)

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When Rescue Bots Academy comes out, does that design get used for his main image? I know the rule is "first Earth body", but that's been ignored with some characters like Lockdown so he could have a picture of his AOE self at the top of his article, rather than his ROTF design. --Riptide (talk) 11:25, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

We don't really know yet if RBA Hot Shot is even gonna be able to be considered the same guy as Prime Hot Shot or a different guy like RID 2015 Grimlock and Sideswipe are from their Cybertron game namesakes. It's all just "wait and see" at the moment. --Sabrblade (talk) 14:52, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

I feel like there's no way Hot Shot won't be the same guy. Grimlock and Sideswipe were basically new characters (and were even originally intended to be new characters), while both Prime and RBA Hot Shot are thoroughly based on UT Hot Shot. --Riptide (talk) 16:55, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

...Unless RBA Hot Shot turns out to be a little kid-bot, which he and his fellow new recruits look like, as opposed to Prime Hot Shot being a young adult-bot who fought in wars as a Wrecker. --Sabrblade (talk) 17:49, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

I mean, yes, their histories will inevitably be incompatible. That doesn't mean that they need to be considered separate characters; the Sideswipes were split because they had nothing in common but their name and "red car", not because one was around before the war and one wasn't. --Riptide (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Erm, well, that kinda was at least part of why Sideswipe and Grimlock were split. As in, we feel that the Jazz from the games/books and the Jazz from RID are the same guy since he and Bee are old pals and we definitely know Bee is the same across the games/books/shows/etc., but while WFC Sideswipe was a compatriot of Jazz and Bee in the war, RID Sideswipe was not.

I mean, if your argument for the Prime and RBA Hot Shots being unquestionably the same guy (even at a point when we barely know anything about RBA Hot Shot at all, if I might add) is that they're both based on the same source character of UT Hot Shot, then, well, the exact same could be said of the WFC and RID Sideswipes both being based on G1 Sideswipe, with the added bonus of RID Sideswipe's characterization even being the closest we've ever come to seeing the "brash, loosely-obedient, crafty rebel" personality described in both G1 Sideswipe's original Bob Budiansky-written profile and his Dreamwave MTMTE profile properly depicted in story form.

We're kinda passed the point of "every same-named version of each character in Aligned is the same single person" that was more enforced during the tenure of Aaron Archer's team rather than the more loose and largely indifferent laid-back approach towards Aligned that John Warden's team seems to have. We're just going to have to wait and see if RBA Hot Shot can really be considered the same person as Prime Hot Shot or not. --Sabrblade (talk) 20:47, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

"the Sideswipes were split because they had nothing in common but their name and "red car". And it appears there's nothing in common but Hot Shot's name between these two 'bots. - TBR (talk) 04:40, 14 October 2018 (EDT)

Split

Yeah, I think it looks like Hot Shot (Prime) and Hot Shot (RBA) should be split. Same principle as Whirl the Wrecker and Whirl the Academybot in aligned continuity. --Xaaron (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2019 (EDT)

Thank you very much. But, tell me: what is the motivation that drives everybody to consider the two characters the same? Forgive me, but English is not my first language. RoboWarriorPrime (talk) 09:58, 07 June 2019

I'm not sure I agree with splitting them. They're both the same Hot Shot archetype whereas the two Whirls have different personalities and looks. --abates (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm not so sure now either. At first I thought Hot Shot being a pre-existing Wrecker was a good reason to assume he was a different 'bot in-universe from the Rescue Bots Academy rookie. But I thought that came from his toy's bio card, when actually the Hot Shot (Prime) toy bio just sounds like a generic up-and-coming 'bot. If the Wrecker thing just comes from a BotCon Script Reading, I'm less inclined to call THAT characterization a reason for a split. --Xaaron (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

While I wouldn't mind a split, I'm pretty sure that the reason Hot Shot was made a Wrecker in that BotCon script reading was because, at the time, this Wiki treated Prime Hot Shot and WFC Rodimus as the same person because of the WFC games naming Rodimus "Hot Shot", and that was due to both the name "Hot Rod" still being unavailable at that point in time and a desire by Hasbro to not call the game character "Rodimus" because, at that point in time in the game character's life, he wouldn't be named "Rodimus" yet and Hasbro wanted to tell the story of how he would become Rodimus later on (which they never did), so the name "Hot Shot" was used in the games as an alternative to "Hot Rod".

BUT, the unofficially published prose story "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" had mentioned a character named "Rodimus" as a member of the Wreckers, but as mentioned, that story was unofficial. Still, as it was considered pseudocanon, it seems that the BotCon script reading tried to at least acknowledge the Wrecker Rodimus from that story by making the officially-named "Hot Shot" character (who, as I said, was considered the same guy as "Rodimus" back then) into a Wrecker, in order to weave things back together.

BUUUUUUUT, then the novel "Retribution" came out later and used the "Rodimus" name for the WFC guy after all, in spite of the previous notion of Hasbro wanting the character to not be named "Rodimus" yet. 'Course, by that point, the old Hasbro brand team was on its way out and being replaced by the new one that didn't take as much interest in the Aligned media as the previous team did, so the "Rodimus" thing didn't really matter much anymore.

So, at the end of it all, Prime Hot Shot and WFC Hot Shot (now definitively named "Rodimus" despite the games naming him "Hot Shot" for the reason previously given) were split out from each other as separate characters, and the events of "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" got canonized by Ask Vector Prime, leaving us now with two different Aligned guys named "Hot Shot" and "Rodimus" who are both members of the Wreckers. And that's all before Rescue Bots Academy went and did it's own take on Hot Shot. Phew! --Sabrblade (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2019 (EDT)

...Prime Hot Shot was a Wrecker entirely because we thought it'd be cool if he was a Wrecker and it fit the story we wanted to tell. We could physically not give less of a shit about some spinoff game's name fuckery. --M Sipher (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2019 (EDT)

He's small, young and without weapons. He OBVIOUSLY is a new character, maybe one of those born after Optimus's sacrifice during Predacons Rising. RoboWarriorPrime (talk) 09:01, 04 August 2019

It does seem odd that a Wrecker would be a new recruit to a non-combat unit and that he'd be recruited while playing school-yard games with his friends. However, there's currently no evidence one way or the other that it's a separate character. Since it can be neither confirmed nor denied officially, and they have the same name and (roughly) similar personalities, keeping them together is the most appropriate editing policy to follow. Lots of "obvious" situations have been proven otherwise in the past. For example, War for Cybertron was treated as G1, including by High Moon Studio. But Hasbro and later High Moon interviews official put it in the then newly announced Aligned continuity family, disproving its "obvious" G1 nods. Given how almost every single installment of every single piece of media has a "Continuity Errors" section with at least a handful of examples, "because it doesn't add up" is unfortunately not a reliable reason to argue over discrepancies. --King Starscream (talk) 16:18, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

Reviving this discussion. I move in favour of splitting Prime versus RBA Hot Shot in parallel with FOC versus RBA Whirl to capture how the latter not only have very different characterisation but also feel like postwar births even if not explicitly clarified as such. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 10:34, 19 March 2021 (EDT)

Yes. Split them. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 22:59, 25 March 2021 (EDT)

Definite split. --ZacAttack (talk) 23:08, 25 March 2021 (EDT)

Nope. Enough crossover between the two that they're not fully incompatible. Not the first time we've left slightly disparate Aligned characters on the same page either. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:30, 25 March 2021 (EDT)