Talk:House (group)

Just spitballing this here. Since Roberts has made this an actual thing, a sort of noble lineage comprised of bots with the same "last name" (IE Ambus, Magnus, Maximus, etc.) should we document it as a phenomenon in Cybertronian society?--Rosicrucian^Talk 20:01, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

I believe we should. --ItsWalky 21:42, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

House of Pax

I might be forgetting some piece of context, but with only one example is there any reason we should assume that Orion Pax is of the House of Pax anymore more than, say, Hot Rod is of the House of Rod? Jalaguy 16:51, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah I agree. There's no evidence that there is a House of Pax. I feel that we should only add Houses if there are either explicitly named a House or have at least two examples of characters with the same last name. Otherwise we could end up saying that there's a House of Grrr/Grr/Gur/Gar/etc. and a House of One because Hun-Grr and Elita One have two-part names also. Anyways, I'm removing the House of Pax entry though anyone is free to revert my edit if they have a good reason. LordTacos 7:43 PM, 5 October 2013 (MST)

It's still a family group even if you don't name the family

In neither Dreamwave nor IDW was anyone suggesting an actual house made of bricks or whatever. It's the House of Ambus - their family line - just like House of Lannister or House of Saud. Dreamwave Bludgeon says "I summon evil magic to bring ruin upon the house of my enemies," he is saying the exact same thing. Why should that be removed? --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

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"House" here is clearly a poetic way to say where they're at/residing, not referring to a familial unit. The interpretation you're pushing makes no sense. Saix (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

"Clearly" it isn't, since when I first read it in 2003 I saw it as the olde-tyme use of "house" to refer to related group and not a building.Escargon just said in comments that it was "a normal-ass metaphor used long before Transformers," and that's exactly right. In 2004 there was a major current affairs book "House of Bush, House of Saud," and nobody thought for a minute "well see the SAUDS are a family but the BUSHes have a building in Texas." --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Yes, words can mean different things in different contexts. Nobody here is disputing what "House of" means because that's not the language being used here. Saix (talk) 15:45, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

So you think Bludgeon summoned a demon to, like, break windows in a physical house, and not to kill his enemies? --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Do you think every instance of "house" in poetic language refers to families? It's just a figurative way of saying "kill my enemies where they are". Saix (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

I'm with Thy. This is obviously playing off Biblical language such as 2 Chronicles 22:8 - "And when Jehu was executing judgment on the house of Ahab, he met the princes of Judah and the sons of Ahaziah’s brothers, who attended Ahaziah, and he killed them." --Khajidha (talk) 21:35, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Literally not once has anyone here disagreed that it's supposed to be evoking that. What's being argued over is the idea that some random throwaway line of dialogue from a writer who did that all the time is meant to be the same thing as the actual defined concept, which is A: stupid, and B: not supported by any outside comments from either writer. Escargon (talk) 22:59, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

So you also think Bludgeon summoned a demon to break windows in an actual literal house, and not to kill his enemies?

In LOTR when Theoden cries about seeing the final days of his house, is he talking about the death of his only child? Or an actual house?--Thylacine 2000 (talk) 23:17, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Have you read a single thing either of us have said? We've never said it's a literal fucking house, what we're saying is that it's not fucking likely that Roberts is deliberately referencing some random bit of dialogue that is just Furman having Bludgeon say random flowery bullshit like he always does. This is on the same level as Han Solo getting a backstory as being from Corellia because he said a random proper noun in a bit of throwaway dialogue to sound space-y. Escargon (talk) 23:42, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Uhhhh Saix pretty clearly did say it's "where they are" and "where they reside." And this page isn't about Roberts, it is about the facet of Cybertronian society where they use olde-tyme Middle Earth dialogue calling lineage groups "houses." I ask again: what was Theoden crying about? Was the meaning of "house" in any way unclear to the audience, or in any way different from what the way Bludgeon spoke?

It's like planetary engine - turns out multiple authors can evoke it independently, one isn't more important than the other, and we note them all. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 23:54, 7 May 2022 (EDT)