Talk:Human

This goes somewhere, but not at the top. Going here for now.

This may be one of the best entries on the whole damn wiki.--82.41.82.183 17:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

May? --Andrusi 21:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

There may be better, but I've not seen it. So may. yeah. Wanna make something of it? Don't make me go all jihad on you.--82.41.82.183 10:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Should that Featured tag be taken out? Looking at the last two edit summaries leaves me to wonder about how articles actually get to be Featured. (Speaking of things that are Featured, this article really should be.) --KilMichaelMcC 05:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this article should be featured, at least, not until we've actually come to something of a consensus on the matter. I don't think the article really has the length or breadth of info that a featured article really needs. --M Sipher 16:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Religion

Is this:

Despite having no concrete evidence these beings exist, and despite the records of the Beast Wars affirming their evolution from bipedal primates, the humans continue to assume these premises are true. This seems like a waste of spent attention, especially with such short lifespans, as no credible sources have substantiated that their alleged creator has ever transformed out of their world into a giant humanoid and fought its eternal enemy before their eyes. While some humans accept that they evolved from bipedal primates, there are others who maintain the divine intervention theory with a zeal that leads one to wonder if they are malfunctioning. Though some have contended that the two theories are mutually exclusive, many seem to fall in a categorization that somehow accepts both. Many human traditions are puzzling.

Actually the attitude presented in fiction? If not, it does come off as as an unfair dig. I mean, I realize that this is a humor wiki, and "transformed out of their world into a giant humanoid and fought its eternal enemy before their eyes" is pretty funny - but the paragraph reads as more malicious than humorous on the whole.KrytenKoro 05:46, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

I concur. I was actually coming to the talk page to post about exactly this. If this is based on an official attitude within the fiction, then cite the sources. If not, I think it needs to be rewritten. --Loudstone 14:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

I agree with both KrytenKoro and Loudstone. Unless the authors have concrete evidence that the entire universe that the Transformers and humans exist in created itself from nothing (concluding documenting how life coming from non-life - AKA Abiogenesis), then the attacks on a supernatural creator and the religious beliefs of human beings are without warrant, and bias and ignorance of the writer's personal opinions, with absolutely nothing to do with any official Transformers canon. Alleged pre-human primates seen in 'Beast Wars' do not debunk the possibility of a supernatural creator or qualify the Transformers brand as being anti-religion, nor make a statement on the origins of the universe. The apparent atheistic or agnostic stance of the author would also fall under the category of a religious belief (one of anti-religious, also lacking emprirical evidence) that would also not be immune to the same criticism. It's safe to say this should be removed, unless the author has empirical evidence that proves that a supernatural God does not exist and the millions of humans who believe in a creator God (or Gods), supernatural happenings, and spirit/soul afterlife are all wrong and that the Transformers brand agrees with the sentiment of the author. In fact, with the Masterforce series and beyond, the Japanese Transformer cartoons touched upon supernatural beings and supernatural powers of Transformers unlocked by human spirits or souls. It is best to remove this erroneous thought process and biased opinion (that is, face it, intended to troll theists) from the wiki. How many millions of people from various religions do you want to offend? --Chrusher (talk) 03:01, 4 March 2015 (EST)

Firstly, you are agreeing with responses written six years ago which were written in regard to a version of the page which no longer exists. As it is now, it's a pretty thoroughly-sourced section, and also it's obviously poking fun at how all of Transformers' religious elements are very visible and tangible and verifiable, while in the real world ours are very not. You are necromancing a dealt-with discussion. Secondly, it is super dumb to demand we prove god doesn't exist so that our wiki can say this. That's some high school debate team shit. And thirdly, I do not care if we offend "millions of people from various religions." And if they are offended by a fucking paragraph on a wiki for a toyline about 9-million-year-old warring robots from space which at worst says there is no evidence that a god exists, then they maybe need to be a little more secure in their fucking beliefs. They can laugh at us while we burn in Hell. They will survive, somehow, until then.

tl;dr: i pay for this website to exist so please understand you are wasting your time --ItsWalky (talk) 03:46, 4 March 2015 (EST)

No Humans

Should a page be made on whether or not humans should be in Transformers?

No. This is not a site for essays on children's cartoons. —Interrobang 21:59, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

I'd be in favor of it if the only text on the page were "Yes," with a reference tag that leads to a footnote that reads "Except if it's Beast Machines." --ItsWalky 22:24, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

I actually like

Teletraan 1 version of the human page better I mean I don't like the religion part but the way the page utterly insults us is funny.

Some non-humor but canon-relevant stuff

All joking aside, this page should definitely mention Jinchōkon, the need for humans for Fortress Maximus (RID), and that, in Prime, humans are informally considered the "progeny of Unicron".192.249.47.196 12:18, 13 December 2011 (EST)

Well, I haven't actually had a chance to watch RID or the Godmasters one, so I wouldn't be able to write about those, but I guess I'll go ahead and find somewhere to put the Unicron bit.192.249.47.196 13:22, 14 December 2011 (EST)

Revolution and stuff

Now that the, uh, non-Transformers end of the IDW universe has been expanded, are there more things we might know about humans-the-species? I haven't been paying attention to a lot of the non-GIJoe stuff, and those peeps are all regularish army folks (and army folk/alien hybrids). --ItsWalky (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Other than "they can breed with and be possessed by Dire Wraiths" and "they're very good at jumping to conclusions", I don't think so? Rom describes himself pre-armor as "human", but that's definitely metaphor. Dude had gills. (There's also the fact that the dominant species of Microspace are identical to scaled-down humans, but don't know what a "human" is.) --Riptide (talk) 04:13, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

Toys and merch

Shouldn't this page have some coverage or links to the various toys of human figures throughout the franchise? A lot of people don't believe they exist, despite the existence of Kicker or Human Alliance.

ES Terrans vs Us

So ES created the Terrans as a separate species of TF, but then it's also what the bots call humans. Can anyone somehow redirect the 2 to be separate?Poliwag06 (talk) 08:59, 12 February 2023 (EST)

I don't know what you mean? There is no redirect page for "Terran" that leads to this page. Grum (talk) 10:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)

Theylre talking about this article's two uses of the word "Terran" to refer to humans. --Sabrblade (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2023 (EST)