Talk:Icepick (PCC)

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Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--TOM 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)

This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. Shawn Berger, Doctor Arkeville, the Geddis brothers, and Abdul Fakkadi spring to mind. And Thadius Braxis from GoBots was allied with the Renegades. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a Pretender like Alice. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --Khajidha 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)

He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--Primo 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --Khajidha 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Money? Power? The teachings of Ayn Rand? They're just plain crazy? (the real question is why the Decepticons would ally with the humans!) -hx at work

Because they have materials or knowledge the Decepticons find useful? Madame Cee, Arkeville, Sidney Biggles-Jones, I figure the Decepticons wouldn't be opposed to humans visiting the Jekka Amphitheatre, there's the whole binary-bonding thing, not to mention Kiss Players. And some Decepticons simply appreciate the company of someone who just happens to be human, like with Skullgrin and Carissa Carr (or for whatever it's worth, Elise Presser could temporarily calm B.O.T.). Geewunling 12:10, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Merge With PCC?

Bio is up officially on HTS makes it pretty clear this guys intended as a new form of the PCC guy. That enough to merge? (I lean to yes.)--76.28.76.206 07:22, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

I agree. --Khajidha 10:09, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Yup. --ItsWalky 10:12, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

It would stay at Icepick (PCC), right? That is his franchise of origin. --Khajidha 10:19, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

It would. --ItsWalky 10:42, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Bio up on HTS does no such thing. The only Icepick who was ever seen actually being part of a combiner team was Icepick (G1). --Andrusi 10:35, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Hasbro's pretty clearly intending that to refer to the PCC who were all parts of drone combiner teams whether the toy shipped with some or not. Combiner team was all the PCCs were about. Thats what Hasbros reffing.--76.28.76.206 10:40, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

"He was part of a combiner team" means he's definitely a guy who was never shown or stated to be part of a combiner team because he was in the same line as some combiner teams, and is definitely not just a reference to an older guy who was part of a combiner team and who the other guy already made reference to? That is way weaker than the argument for Huffer (PCC) being Huffer (G1), and we have them as separate guys. --Andrusi 10:44, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Different continuity families. There's already crossover between PCCs and the movie. --ItsWalky 10:49, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Yes. Plus PCC Icepick totally fits the description. PCCs were all about being Combiner Teams, whether the Commander shipped with drones or not. It was their whole thing. And they've already been strongly hinted at being in movie continuity, via Smolder. That makes much more sense than a G1 continuity breaking link. Its simpler and more logical.

Smolder AND Salvage, who we've already consolidated. --ItsWalky 11:09, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

That smells like trying to write canon to me. We've never seen any evidence for the two-pack Commanders having their own teams, and in fact Skyburst and Bombshock's bios make the teams sound like something special that not all Commanders get. And Smolder certainly didn't appear to have any drones with him.

I'm just saying this seems more like a job for a "he might be this guy!" note than a page consolidation saying "he's definitely this guy, even though the only hint towards this would itself be new information about this guy and could just as easily be a 'just like in G1!' nod." --Andrusi 11:01, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers *because* he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --ItsWalky 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --Andrusi 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where Crankcase (Movie) and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/Undertow (PCC) and Leadfoot (PCC)/Leadfoot (Speed Stars)/Leadfoot (DOTM). My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --Khajidha 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --Andrusi 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. Reverb (Movie) and Reverb (ROTF) are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --Khajidha 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Bio for MechTech Human Alliance Backfire indicates that he is actually Backfire (TF 2010). --Khajidha 13:15, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

You are correct sir. I totally missed that. One more to update/merge then.--76.28.76.206 13:22, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

I still think Undertow should stay separate, just because we don't have a clue who he was going to be. --Andrusi 16:57, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

Unless the unreleased Undertow has a bio that flatly contradicts that of the PCC Undertow, I don't see the point of separating them. Same name + same continuity family = same guy until established otherwise. --Khajidha 17:10, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

As far as Leadfoot goes, isn't his Speed Stars toy being rereleased in DOTM with the name "Classic Leadfoot"? I'm really not sure what to make of this "Classic" part, does it mean he's meant to be the classic G2 character in spite of being in the DOTM line, or is it just to distinguish him from the Wrecker Leadfoot? --Detour 16:29, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Tech Spec comparison?

Just out of curiosity does anyone have the Spec numbers of PCC Icepick and HA Icepick? I'm just curious how they match up being they're likely the same guy.--76.28.76.206 11:58, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

They're the same Zandergb 02:23, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Flash freeze

Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --Khajidha 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

I think a mention in the notes or toy's description would suffice. Movie Stockade's S7 symbol certainly didn't align him with Sector 7 Zandergb 03:03, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

In terms of "mention in a note so we're not making things up", I think it's worth mentioning the Autobot symbols on Icepick in conjunction with Sergeant Chaos being described as a "renegade". -LV 07:58, 20 July 2011 (EDT)