Talk:Insecticon (G1)

I feel like there should be bit outlining how the Insecticons (1984) fit intot he larger concept of the Insecticon clans.

I mean, it basically requores you ignore the original reason given for their insectlike behavior in their intro episode. (Whichw as suppostion, and their identi-computer may have been damaaged on TOP of them being Insecticons already I suppose...)

It fits better witht he Insecticons considerign themselves MEgatron's allies, not his underlings. An assesment he shared. (Theys eemed to view him this way even in his intro ep.) So it's not an untenable concept- but tit is a retcon, and I'd liek to see it highlighted as such, or at least the 84 insects places relative to the retcon. -Derik 05:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Macabre from Target: 2006 had a bat alt-mode, rather than being an Insecticon. I'm pretty sure this was stated in an answer to a letter a few issues after Target: 2006 finished, but don't have the comics with me to check right now. --Tribimat 13:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right - specifically, Macabre turned into "a bat-winged air current glider". Edited. --Monzo 13:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

While I agree there is a strong case to be made for their presence, we never see Ransack or Barrage with the Mayhems, which I think should be noted. -LV 18:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon Origin?

Not to be picky, but are we determined that they definately came from the Nemesis in the cartoon like it says? I always felt that was a little bit up in the air. Megatron says their pod crashed here before the Nemesis went down, but that's not quite the same as saying it came from it. And they don't seem to know Megatron and co. and, more, Megatron and co. don't seem to know them. Plus they never, throughout the series, really show any impulse to join-up with his troops officially or follow his orders when not actively bribed. Thoughts? -- ZacWilliam 01:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's probably worth mentioning here that the series bible specifically notes that thier pod was "part of the Decepticon spacecraft that jettisoned away just before the Autobots and Decepticons crash landed on Earth." - Chris McFeely 01:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

They mention their identi-computers are damaged/degraded by such a long stay on Earth.

Really, everything points to the Insecticons having been functional on Earth for 4 million years with no other TF's... and going native/a little crazy. (which yes, means they were active on Earth both during the BEast Wars and the time Metalhawk's crew was on Earth, whatever.)

The Insecticons are very consistent on referring to the Decepticons as 'other' (not including themselves under the Decepticon banner) and MEgatron even (in their 23nd ep IIRC) refers to them as 'our Insecticon allies.' At the time, this was just an acknowledgment that they were seperate fromt he main decepticon force. Post-universally, we now take it to means the Insecticons were Megatron's allies fromt he ancient Insecticon clans-- a view that is nonsensical when discussing the cartoon cannon in any strict sense. -Derik

Opening section NOT continuity neutral.

The opening section of this article is not even pretending to be continuity neutral. (That is the goal right?) Everything in that first paragraph except the power description refers pretty exclusively to the cartoon version. Now that IS where they got the most air time, but SOOOO much of the begining here is true nowhere but the toon. Should that not be changed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.142.128 (talk • contribs){{#if:00:54, 5 September 2007| 00:54, 5 September 2007|}}.

Well, here's the opening paragraph:

The Insecticons are an individualistic, greedy, arrogant group of troublemakers that have an on again/off again affiliation with the Decepticons. The Insecticons also display a wide array of unique abilities including eating both organic and inorganic matter for energy, creating clones of themselves, weather control, and cerebro-shells.

Which portions do you find objectionable and/or what things do you feel should be added?--Rosicrucian 00:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Basically they've never been shown to be especially individualistic or greedy anywhere but the sunbow toon. Likewise, they never had an "on again/off again relations with the Cons" outside the toon. Nor did they ever eat anything organic or inorganic for for food anywhere but the toon that I can recall. All of that doesn't belong if we're going continuity neutral. Right?

There's the DW comics, where they pretty clearly devour things for food. --M Sipher 01:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Heck, in Micromasters they were frigging cannibals.--Rosicrucian 01:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Insectrain

Isn't the combined form just the three train cars linked together like train cars? 'Cause that really isn't a combined form. (FortMax)

It's not clear from the text. The fact that the joined form has a name (even if only in the concept art) suggests that it's a combiner. (By contrast, the Micromaster combiners don't have names for their combined forms.) I decided to err on the side of coolness. JW 17:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Waspinator

He's an Insect Decepticon standing among the Deluxe Insecticons on a mission. I think we're being excessively obtuse in deciding that this somehow doesn't make him an Insecticon. --ZacWilliam1 13:55, 26 February 2013 (EST)

But the Deluxe Insecticons aren't a recognized subgroup in IDW. Insecticons weren't even a thing in-universe till AHM. Mimi 14:57, 26 February 2013 (EST)

That was true UNTIL Spotlight:Thundercracker introduced the Deluxe Insecticons and put Waspinator with them. They now clearly are a thing in IDW because they're right there on the page. How and why we don't know but they DO exist and Waspinator is a part of the group as far as we see. --ZacWilliam1 15:05, 26 February 2013 (EST)

What? The individual characters already appeared before the Spotlight. The Insecticons are a very specific group in IDW, and characters aren't part of it just because they happen to have insect alternate modes. Mimi 15:20, 26 February 2013 (EST)

The Deluxe Insecticons still ARE Deluxe Insecticons in IDW. Just because the Swarm/Small Insecticons got a particular origin in IDW and these guys showed up without one, does NOT make them not Insecticons. They are Insects. They are Decepticons. They are the Deluxe Insecticon characters. They are Insecticons as much in IDW as they ever have been. And waspy is one of them. --ZacWilliam1 15:59, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Yes, the Deluxe Insecticons still are Deluxe Insecticons. But Waspinator being with them doesn't make him one too. --flicky1991 16:40, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Astrotrain and Thundercracker are also Deluxe Insecticons! --ItsWalky 18:31, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Just like how Ironhide and Sky Lynx have become Dinobots in RID! Jalaguy 18:41, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Guys, the difference is none of those characters are the same type of robot (insect former) inserted into an existing team of exactly that type of robot. Make the situations actually compairable. Say Goryu was suddenly in the book and on missions among the Dinobots. I'd say it was fair to say the book was considering him a dinobot then. Remember Scoop and the Wreckers? This just seems clearly what the cameo was intending imo. --ZacWilliam1 20:51, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Kick-Off exists in IDW and doesn't like alt-modes, therefore Action Masters exist in IDW. Mimi 20:24, 26 February 2013 (EST)

The difference is THESE guys are still Insect Decepticons in IDW. You know: Insecticons. If Kick-Off was in IDW AND was non-transforming due to Nucleon, then YES Action Masters would exist in IDW whether they said the words or not. THAT is what this situation is. --ZacWilliam1 20:51, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Being an insect Decepticon is NOT the same as being an Insecticon... By that logic, all Insecticons would also be Predacons because they turn into animals! Unless Waspinator is called an Insecticon in canon, he's just an insect Decepticon who happened to be with some Insecticons one time. --flicky1991 03:42, 27 February 2013 (EST)

Yeah, Sky Lynx is a dinosaur, and worked with the Dinobots in RID, so he's totally a Dinobot now, right? If the issue specifically identified the insect guys as being a team, and that TC and Blitzwing were just hanging out with them, I could buy Waspinator being an Insecticon, but as it is... Jalaguy 03:46, 27 February 2013 (EST)

Oh, and Swindle's a car and worked with, among others, the Stunticons in the ongoing, so he goes on their page, right? And Overlord has a jet mode and commanded some of the Predators, so he's now a Predator, yes? Plus Jetfire hung out with the Technobots in Stormbringer and he's also a scientist with a futuristic vehicle mode, so he needs to go on their page. If we're going to do this, we can't have double-standards, can we? Jalaguy 04:22, 27 February 2013 (EST)

OK, reading the issue, Zac has a fair point. Based on the aesthetic it DOES seem like Waspinator in this continuity would probably be a Deluxe Insecticon. However, since as people point out above we don't even know if Ransack, Barrage et al ARE Deluxe Insecticons in this continuity, we'd be overreaching to categorically declare that Waspinator is one too. At best at the point it's a triva note, and if we get more evidence one way or the other in the future we can revise our stance.--Jimsorenson 20:20, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Dead Link -Betrass Concept Art

The images of Beetras concept/design art auctioned off in Japan have been removed from the location we link to in our reference section. I have them saved on my computer though. Do we want to host them here? Two pics: a huge stack of Beetras designs and then a detail of the unproduced Bee's TF sequence. They do not seem to be up online anywhere else to link to elsewhere that I can find. --ZacWilliam1 12:00, 9 September 2013 (EDT)

Insecticons with acid powers?

I currently have DK's You Can Draw Transformers by Simon Furman. On page 55, in the description next to Shrapnel, it says that the Insecticons apparently have some sort of acid powers. The exact quote is as follows: "Just as the Autobots had the Dinobots, the Decepticons had the Insecticons, a trio of acid secreting individuals." Should this be noted anywhere in this article? Is it psuedo-canonical or something? --Genitus (talk) 10:03, 4 March 2016 (EST)

If it's officially released by Hasbro or Takara, it's canon! But just making it a note sounds like a good idea. --Ascendron (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2016 (EST)

Venin

Considering the color and name change, does Venin actually belong in the toy list here?--Khajidha (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Beet-Papil

" In addition to her, a transforming butterfly, who took the name Beet-Papil when the ladybug wasn't using it, " Seems more likely that someone erroneously connected the Beet-Papil name to the ladybug character, as "papil" is probably from the French word "papillon" ("butterfly"). --Khajidha (talk) 08:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)

[1]—Yeah, I have to agree it was a misidentification. And it's closer to "Beet-Ladé" for the ladybug anyway (it's an anagram of the Japanese transliteration for "lady"). Saix (talk) 10:21, 29 February 2024 (EST)