Talk:J'nwan

I debate J'nwan's MacGuffinness. --ItsWalky 06:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Prime uses the MOL to transport himself to J'nwan in TLDoOP?-Derik 08:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it to me. He says he just looks for it and finds it. The only reference to the Matrix in it is the flashback of him opening it on Unicron. --ItsWalky 16:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I seem to have totally made that up. Oops. I guess J'nwan just happens to be in Prime's bathroom. I guess they can easily transport themselves to prehistoric Earth, they can probably easily transport themselves across the planet. -LV 16:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Be fair to yourself-- J'nwan's nature clearly changed between LDoOP and RtOP (or at least we're seeing opposite sides of it.) In LdoOP it's 'just a stilled heartbeat away,' and in RtOP, it's a region of Cybertron.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say theyr'e two sides of the same coin- Prime found Megatron in J'nwan, who had probably not sought the region out. J'nwan is, to some degree, an afterlife, and the region of Cybertron is just a place that happens to overlap that dimension. -Derik 16:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Never having read Reaching the Omega Point, and never having bothered to find out more about the J'nwan, all I knew of it was from TLDoOP. From that story alone, it really did seem to be an afterlife of sorts. "Before I know it... I am there." It reads like... while sitting, telling us this story, his life just slowly slipped away. And suddenly, he was in the J'nwan, dead, welcomed by Megatron. "The end?" Well, if the J'nwan is just some place on Cybertron, that really doesn't hold a lot of meaning, does it? The answer's basically "No, actually, you just get to live here with me now. Check out the monoliths!" But if he's DEAD... the answer is "Yes, it is over... but your spirit lives on." It's a lot more... poetic.

I am, incidentally, not arguing the nature of the J'nwan here, or anything. Just waffling about the story. Which I like. :) RE-READING it, after reading this article, it's pretty obvious he just goes looking and finds it. - Chris McFeely 18:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

J'nwan seems to be an elephant's Graveyard, but it's still 'a stilled heartbeat away'. Did Prime maybe journey there before deactivating himself, knowing his life would be trapped there rather than journeying to the allspark? (Does J'nwan then represent some limbo between life and death- Prime would not choose outright death, but he still wanted to quit the world stage?)

And Megatron was there- which prime was clearly not expecting. It's troublesome. There doesn't seem to be an outright contradiction... but it seems liek our view of J'nwan is very incomplete. -Derik 19:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)