Talk:Lockdown (ROTF)

do not request a split seriously we will murder you

Bounty hunter

Seriously, we know he's going to be a bounty hunter, he's based off a bounty hunter, official release or not, his card states he's a bounty hunter. This isn't anything close to anything offensive, so why are you so up in arms against a CORRECT categorization? - Karhukjnsi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karhukjnsi (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

So I take it then you haven't read the official info help page that the Scoop Bastard notice links to, then? --Detour 02:28, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Very well, then, play it that way? Then you shouldn't be against this. --The Beerclaw 02:33, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Then why keep the "stealing parts" bit?

There's nothing officially released that declares he "steals parts". Just because he can use Ratchet's weapon does not directly indicate that he "steals parts" for all we know he could've bought it off the Autobot medic regardless of absurdity. So if you're going to take off any potential mentions of his profession (which is what he's initially referenced from) then why allow something else that is unofficially recognized? This is a paragon example of abuse of power. --The Beerclaw 02:50, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Because the Hasbro reps at Botcon said that the gun the new Ratchet will come with can be attached to Lockdown, hence he steals parts, because I doubt Ratchet would just give it to him willingly. --Detour 02:52, 6 January 2010 (EST)

But did they say he "steals parts" or any other directly similar statement? Or is this something else that's been placed onto this wiki because it's assumed due to this character's previous incarnation? If so, then it'd be safe to "assume" he's a bounty hunter, also due to this character's previous incarnation, especially if he's noted to be an homage. --The Beerclaw 02:57, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Bounty hunter or not?

To most who visit this page, we are already familiar with the previous incarnation of this character's profession as a "Bounty Hunter". If you've read the previous discussion/"argument" (of sorts) with Detour, then you'll understand where I stand on the subject, if not, then please read the following.

It's argued that information "leaked" should not be entered into a wiki, though most arguably fair-enough assumptions are accepted; including, concerning this character, that he "steals parts", due to him being able to connect and use Ratchet's EMP weapon (a very specific characteristic to the previous incarnation). The characteristic of stealing parts is an attribute that is well-documented on the Animated incarnation of the character (again, more specifically the case with Ratchet's EMP weapon), as is another well-documented attribute being his profession as a "bounty hunter".

This character has been noted as an "homage" to the previous version, which even extended to an alternate form extremely similar to the previous version, a "hook" weapon (commonly found in the character's right hand), and to include him as an enemy to this continuity's version of Arcee and Ratchet (officially declared on Hasbro's TF site). Given all the various information both official and safely assumed, is it not then also safe to assume his profession would also carry over strongly intact enough to be placed in this article?

And yes, I care this much because I've had a passion for bounty hunting since I was a young child, so nearly anything "bounty hunting" related, I take seriously. --Karhukjnsi 03:48, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Occam's Razor suggests that Lockdown will be portrayed exactly like his Animated counterpart, given the large number of ROTF characters whose personalities are based on their G1 forebears (Blazemaster, Nightbeat, etc). However, until Lockdown's bio is officially published somewhere, it's probably best to let sleeping dogs lie. --Monzo 03:56, 6 January 2010 (EST)

We're interesting solely in being right, not first. As such, waiting until the toy is released is perfectly fine and won't hurt anybody. Once one of the editors gets a Lockdown toy (and someone likely will, as he's awesome) you can rest assured they'll add all of his info. In the meantime, relax, have some patience, kill the time by editing stuff that's already out. --Jeysie 08:14, 6 January 2010 (EST)

G1 Lockdown repurpose?

You sure the ROTF toy gets repurposed for the new idw Lockdown? Judging by the cover for Drift 3 he seems to be more closely based on the original animated toy and not this one here. 86.180.50.123 11:57, 12 August 2010 (EDT) (Dead Metal too lazy to log in)

Unreleased Toy/Upcoming Toy?

His Speed Stars toy has been in the upcoming toy category since 2011. There's no longer a Speed Stars line in the stores, that's done. Could we change his one toy from 'upcoming' to 'cancelled', as it seems it has been? It's been 2 to 2.5 years now since it was supposed to be out, and nothing. Transfotaku 08:11, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

A quicks search brings up nothing of his release, so sure, why not. --Inkblot 09:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

Should we Split?

Considering Lockdown's appearance in AOE is cannon and his toy from ROTF is not, should this be split into an AOE Lockdown page and a ROTF Lockdown page? I think that there should be a split like there just was in Galvatron (AOE) from Galvatron (ROTF). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MrGameAndToy (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

No, because ROTF Galvatron is a one off game character, and the split happened because someone jumped the gun on merging them, and plus we don't know enough about Lockdown's personality to seperate them yet. Also sign your posts. Escargon (talk) 15:31, 5 March 2014 (EST)

ROTF Lockdown is in no way 'not canon', and splitting two movie-verse bounty hunting Decepticon cars called Lockdown would be super-daft.

Jalaguy (talk) 18:58, 5 March 2014 (EST)

I just think that there would be confusion between the two lockdowns because technically they are not the same guy. However i was simply debating my point and if you do not like the idea then don't go ahead with it.--MrGameAndToy (talk) 19:27, 5 March 2014 (EST)

as they said we dont have enough information to consider the ROTF Lockdown and AOE Lockdown seperate guys (like ROTF and AOE Galvs, or Movie 1 and ROTF Mudflap). what is similar with the two Lockdowns is that both are bouty hunters. Eagc7 (talk) April 7, 2014

"I just think that there would be confusion between the two lockdowns because technically they are not the same guy." You are "begging the question", in the actual meaning of the phrase, assuming the truth of the proposition you are making. How do you know that they are not the same guy? --Khajidha (talk) 06:34, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

Exactly. heck even should be noted that even if they dont look similar or something, doesnt mean they arent meant to represent the same guy, Shockwave appears in the Movie 1 game, yet it doenst fit much with what we saw on him in the DOTM media, yet they're meant to represent the same guy and we have them in one single page. Eagc7 (talk) April 9, 2014

Only thing I can think of that would make them separate would be if AOE Lockdown is portrayed as having never been to Earth before now, while ROTF Lockdown (according to this very article) has been on Earth in at least the Cyber Missions, Nefarious, and Unite for the Universe, which are treated (by us, at least) as canonical parts of the main Movie timeline. --Sabrblade (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Agreed Eagc7 (talk) April 12, 2014

Lockdown is depicted as a mercenary definitely familiar with Earth. No need to merge.KrytenKoro (talk) 01:23, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

Keep on same page. The movies are a continuity family, not a single continuity, and AoE Lockdown is very clearly the same character most Lockdowns tend to be. He's not just a random name reuse. We don't split pages based merely on plot discrepancies across different stories. --ItsWalky (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

(Ooops). Yeah, I meant no need to split, not merge. Merging is good. (F***).KrytenKoro (talk) 11:07, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

Well, if he's an unaligned Cybertronian from the start, I'd think we should split him, given that ROTF Lockdown always works for the Decepticons. Escargon (talk) 14:11, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

No, that's not how it works. --ItsWalky (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

He's not unaligned, anyway. He's alignment-for-hire. Big difference.KrytenKoro (talk) 16:35, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm with you actually, the Lockdown in Age of Extinction wasn't technically unaligned, he was working for these mysterious "Creators" instead of one of the traditional Cybertronian factions, and clearly looked down on both the Autobots and the Decepticons. I'd definitely say he's a different character from the hook-handed Decepticon seen in the ROTF games, and I say split the pages. Deusoma (talk) 03:33, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

Again, alignment for hire. So what if he is currently being employed by a non-Cybertronian entity? Also, one can have distaste for their employer and still work for them. I say keep them merged.Observedhalo (talk) 04:55, 21 July 2014 (EDT)

But he isn't working for hire, you silly goose, the way he talks to Optimus in his prison indicates that Lockdown has no choice but to obey these Creators, like he's their slave, and that as soon as he brings Prime to them, he'll be in the same boat. The fact that he's working with Cemetery Wind to accomplish his goals for the Creators doesn't change the fact that he's still the latter's puppet. Deusoma (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

...he says he's been hired to work for them. "We all work for someone."KrytenKoro (talk) 02:04, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

I think we should split. I know this Wiki really likes to lump a lot of characters together. Lockdown (and to a lesser extent Hound and Crosshairs too) feels like a distinct entity from the ROTF version. Both have their own adventures, both look different, are allied with different people and have relatively different personalities. The only real thing that seems to tie the two Lockdowns together is their bounty-hunting job and that Ratchet recognizes him, but they do really feel like different people, just based off the same Animated Lockdown cahracter. Blackjack (talk) 02:17, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

There is no reason to split. Unlike Crosshairs, created as a brand-new character for the movie and then given a name that happened to belong to someone else, AOE Lockdown is Lockdown. He's an adaptation of the bounty hunter from Animated, just like the previous movieverse Lockdown was. I see no reason not to consider both ROTF and AOE to be iterations of the same character, because that's exactly what they are. They may have differing histories within different branches of the same continuity family, but that doesn't mean they need separate articles. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 05:46, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

Whereas I would counter that while the two characters do have similarities, they are pretty different. ROTF Lockdown is basically just a Decepticon who showed up here and there in peripheral material, though whether we take Cyber Missions, IDW or Titan as canon he is a Decepticon that's been to Earth and is working together with the Decepticons -- there really isn't anything to suggest him working "for the highest bidder" beyond our miscoloured conceptions due to knowing of a different, Animated-flavoured Lockdown he is based on. Age of Extinction Lockdown, on the other hand, while he has his 'we all work for somebody' spiel, is seen to be relatively aligned with the Creators and while, again, based on Animated Lockdown, he is now portrayed as someone who hasn't been to the 'primitive planet', absolutely hates on both the Autobots and Decepticons. He has enough differences in his fictional portrayal for me to consider them different characters in my opinion. Blackjack (talk) 11:03, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

Okay, I am putting my foot down starting now. No more requests to split this guy. He's obviously Lockdown-the-character and not Lockdown-the-guy-we-slapped-a-name-on. This is dropped, the end, we have better stuff to nitpick over. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:27, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

Deluxe miss-assembly?

Could be my version of the toy (Hey, mistakes in the factory happen) and the cardback photo shows the same assembly... But the stock photo shows the shins and feet swapped.

...I have to assume the stock photogtaphy (For once) shows the correct transformation/assembly, given his tilted feet... You know, work with the shins swapped. Slift (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2014 (EDT)

Kre-O image

Blockdown

Storing this image here. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 03:03, 14 January 2017 (EST)

Mass shifting confusion

Is it worth mentioning that since AoE came out many fans thought Lockdown utilised a sort of mass shift to get from a small car mode to a very tall robot which is why the Hasbro/Takara toys of him were hard to scale but has now been proved by the amazing third party Unique Toys figure Peru Kill to actually be possible that no mass shifting was necessary in the first place? Carnivius (talk) 05:42, 22 November 2017 (EST)