Talk:Mutant (BW)

I'm inclined to say that this article doesn't need a "BW" in its title. We typically only put those qualifiers on character articles or where otherwise needed for disambiguation. There are no other "mutants" that have, or likely will have, their own article. -Steve-o 22:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

There were Mutants in the UK comic. I suspect they'll eventually have their own page - RolonBolon 22:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Careful. It could be a mutant. -LV 01:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Mutant... Mutilate. I wonder. --ItsWalky 02:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

This article sounds like it's only talking about thee back of the BW cards, and not the Wreckers Comic. X-BoB58 00:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I, too, wonder. Chip 02:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Timeframe

I challenge the article's (and the individual articles') assertion that the MBW cards place the Mutants on BM-era Cybertron. Simply referencing the Oracle doesn't mean the story they are in takes place in BM any more than referencing a spark in G1 means that story actually takes place in the BW future. There is no reason to think Megatron couldn't have tested an early version of his "devolution" virus back on prehistoric Earth, and I put it to you that the mere fact that there were some random Fuzors to test on (as well as the explicit mention of Predacons and the LACK of reference to Vehicons) implies that the Mutants' packaging fiction is set during the Beast Wars. (Also the fact that the toys were sold as Beast Wars.) -LV 02:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

What he said. I NEVER for one moment thought that the Mutants were on BM-era Cybertron. --M Sipher 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

What with their Organic construction, oracular contact, anti-mechanical abilities, and being test-platforms for Megatron's modelock virus... I did. Oh- and they showed up on Cybertron in Wreckers.

Sure, they're on Earth in The Gathering- but that appears to have dumped all their baggage as being part of Megatron's experiments... they're just more crashed Stasis pods, a different sort of Fuzor.

As originally marketed- they had a tie to the BM modelock virus. That tie was omitted to place them back on Earth. Is it POSSIBLE to do so? Sure! But to act like it's sheer madness to place them on Cybertron basically requires a willfull act of ignorance on Siph's part to ignore the original backstory.-Derik 05:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's needlessly stubborn to insist that the original packaging was intended to place them on BM Cybertron when there are no references to Vehicons or in fact the planet Cybertron at all. Beast Machines product was on the shelves at the time; the Mutants were sold as Beast Wars. I have therefore edited the article to remove the unsubstantiated assertion that the packaging fiction definitively placed them on Cybertron and have left it up to the reader to make up his own mind about it. -LV 05:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Or, you know, reading comprehension to notice all those factors LV just pointed out, which is their original backstory. But hey, why do that when you can make shit up and use totally after-the-fact items irrelevant to the actual point? --M Sipher 05:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

"For some reason... I feel like I've eaten this ninja's bread before."

I grasp we were discussing the cards. But given the cards heavy BM-tilt I find your statement I NEVER for one moment thought that the Mutants were on BM-era Cybertron. absolutely mind wobbling. It is entirely true that the cards never explicitly place them on Cybertron or Earth, but that you 'never for one moment' even considered they might be on Cybertron from reading the cards?

That my friend, takes talent. -Derik 07:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

A set of toys under the Beast Wars banner talking about Maximals and Predacons (who ARE technological, remember, the other BW product out at the time were Transmetals, and the previous year it was Transmetal 2s), instead of being under the Beast Machines banner talking about Maximals and Vehicons (where the Predacons are absent as a faction)? Considering we know Megatron was dicking around with TF genetics during the Beast Wars? And the whole Fuzor deal?

Yeah, assuming that such a thing places them within the confines of the Beast Wars cardbackiverse and not entertaining the notion that they're in Beast Machines is TOTALLY a gigantic stretch. It certainly takes a talent... for reading comprehension. Or are we going to declare their case-mate Transmetals and the Tripdredacus Agent are also on Cybertron during Beast Machines? --M Sipher 19:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Other Stuff

Yeah, while you guys bicker over that stuff, anyone know if "Mutators" was ever a prerelease name for the Mutants? Poison Bite's tech specs make reference to "the mutator mission" and I have no clue what it's talking about.--MCRG 06:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard it, but it could be. Or it could be a typo that was auto-corrected into the wrong word. The computer entries for Razor Claw and Poison Bite called them Dinobite Mutatant and Scorpinox Mutatant, but I suspect "Mutatant" was also a typo. -LV 07:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Careful. It could be a mutant. -LV 07:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Blackarachnia (Animated)

Does Blackarachnia kinda countant as a Mutant?

86.128.33.12 17:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Ask yourself some questions. Is Animated Blackarachnia a character or toy from the Beast Wars franchise? Does she transform from one organic beast to another, with no robot mode? Does she have a horrible vestigial robot head stuck somewhere on either of her organic beast modes? Was she originally an Animorphs toy, retooled? Then probably no. --ItsWalky 17:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)