Talk:Nebulon (Headmasters)

Since Stepper and Ricochet are the same guy, I believe we should consider Nebulon and Nightstick (Ricochet) the same guy, but do we also combine the page with the Decepticon Nightstick? I don't have my Ricochet box avlible, so can anybody confirm wether or not the bio states if Nightstick is a Nebulon or not? --FortMax 18:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there any reason to keep this here, as opposed to calling the character by his Hasbro name? Chip 18:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

All I know is, we've got three different Targetmasters--two of them from the same mold, and the other from a mold easily associated with that one--who are all named Nightstick, and my head is about to explode. Terribly sorry about the mess my brain is going to make all over the walls. --Andrusi 22:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully, Hasbro will reissue Artfire so we can get this mess somewhat cleared up. They'll probably name the TM "Fracus", which would leave us with an (Autobot) and (Decepticon) for each of the two names. --FortMax 22:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Where Backstory from?

Can I get a footnote on this backstory? Is it a new from somewhere? I've read the translated manga, and my understanding was Stepper's jp tech-spec was quite ... bland, as is Ricochet's American one. Is this from the Comemorative box release in Japan? (WAS there a commemorative box in Japan?) -Derik 08:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

See here. (Yes, there was a bookbox reissue of Stepper. It came out about the same time as Ricochet.) --Monzo 08:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

*smacks forehead* how could I forget the Fusion-Stepper reference? -Derik 08:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Is Nightstick a Nebulon?

It just occurred to me. Is Nightstick an organic alien from Nebulos? How does the Commemorative Series work, does it introduce Ricochet and Nightstick into the American G1 continuities, or what? - Starfield 22:14, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

That's a damn good question. I had edited the intro at one point to address that, but apparently somebody didn't like it. The fact is, the Commemorative Series bio doesn't say a single thing about Nightstick. As far as English-language fiction goes, he's a blank slate.... who just happens to have the exact same name and appearance as Cyclonus's partner. I consider that conspicuous absence of information tremendously noteworthy. But the trend on the wiki is to not acknowledge gaps in info if those gaps can be filled with data from other sources. In this case, since Nightstick has a Japanese counterpart with characterization, we apparently treat that as though it's the only thing worth documenting. - Jackpot 02:59, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Split into "Nightstick (Ricochet)" and "Nebulon (Headmasters)"?

For ultimate clarity and disambiguation, should this article be split up into "Nightstick (Ricochet)" and "Nebulon (Headmasters)"? Let me explain. As per the above discussion, we don't know for sure if the Commemorative Edition release of Ricochet directly represents the Headmasters (franchise) character Stepper or if the Commemorative Edition introduced a new character into the American G1 continuity. If the American Ricochet is a new G1 character, then his partner Nightstick would have a completely different backstory than Stepper's partner Nebulon. The advantage to this would be to contain the confusing Nightsticks. In Hasbro continuity, Cyclonus's Nightstick is only confused with Ricochet's Nightstick. In Japanese continuity, Cyclonus's Nightstick is only confused with Artfire's Nightstick. Stepper's partner Nebulon would be unconfusing. - Starfield 12:22, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

Still seems like you're making it more confusing. --Khajidha 12:34, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

I don't know that he's making it "more" per say. I think it's just very confusing any way you present it. --76.28.76.206 12:35, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

And any change to the current presentation should improve on the reader's understanding. If it is merely "just as good", the trouble of changing things means we should leave them alone. --Khajidha 12:51, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

Generally we've tended to err on needing poof that they are distinct entities in the past. -Derik 13:11, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

Black Body

Wait... the black body page says Nightstick has the black body armor. This page says Ricochet does. So... which is it? --M Sipher 19:04, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

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Is the Nightstick that was released with Ricochet a Nebulan, unlike the Cybertronian Nebulon released with Stepper? Depending on the answer to this question, the United version would be either Nebulon or Nightstick. —Interrobang 16:29, 14 January 2012 (EST)

Regardless of whatever, I suggest we keep this page the way it is, albeit with potentially more notes here and there. It gets to the point that making more Ricochet pages makes things worse instead of better. Sometimes our categorization is beaten by the system. It's best to bend at these times, rather than break. Consistency can be the enemy of clarity, etc. --ItsWalky 16:42, 14 January 2012 (EST)

Fair enough. —Interrobang 18:08, 14 January 2012 (EST)