Talk:Nova Prime

I must say, I'm really liking the depth given to the first Ark voyage through the Spotlight titles.--Rosicrucian 21:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

We do realize that one of his captions MUST be "Nova Chevy?", right? --ItsWalky 05:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Duuuude. This guy is totally Checkpoint! 71.60.159.181 05:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The resemblance between Novy's alt mode and Transtech Optimus Prime seems much more significant than other resemblance to other characters. --TX55 00:40, September 10 2007 (UTC)

That is a lie. He looks 400% more like Hero Optimus Prime than Transtech Optimus Prime. Show me a giant monkey face on the truck mode and an... entirely different robot mode, and I'll agree with you. --ItsWalky 00:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I wrote that because of the incline (or ramp?). I didn't mean Nova Prime has a monkey face. *smile* But, yeh, I found its light and many other factors surely look like Combat Hero Optimus Prime after you mentioned him. --TX55 01:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the Transtech thing was his altmode, yeah. But his robot mode is totally Energon Rodimus. With hints of BWX Primal's chestplate (MEANING PRIMAL HAS A MATRIX OMG OMG!) Onslaught Six 17:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I think the concept of his humanoid design resembles Cybertron Armorhide EXCEPT for the chest which resembles Optimus Primal's.Note his arms have two wheels on each of them. Also, he has "window knees" as well as Cybertron Armorhide. --TX55 07:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Moratorium

Okay guys, we've heard from Furman himself that we're not going to get more info on Nova Prime until Devastation 6 and Spotlight: Arcee. Let's keep the article more or less where it is until then.--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:32, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Reused design?

• Nova Prime was actually an Optimus design Don had come up with, and was never used.

What is the source for this?--Rosicrucian^Talk 23:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I asked Josh Burcham, and he confirms it. --FFN 11:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just tend to take these things with a grain of salt when they're added by anonymous IPs.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Nemesis Prime

Now if this guy turns out to be Nemesis Prime (which is likely) does that mean Furman is going to have him... swoop down like some vast predatory bird?--Rosicrucian^Talk 19:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It'll be okay if he does. Never did want to live forever. -- SFH 20:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course, I do think it's premature to go changing the article to reflect this already.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nova Prime....Autobot.

Should Nova Prime be listed under the "Autobot leaders" or "Autobots" categories? My understanding, especially from Spotlight: Galvatron, was that the first Ark and Nova Prime's era predates factions.--Xaaron 21:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree. Megatron: Origins is a LOT later than the flashbacks from the Galvatron & Optimus Spotlights. - SanityOrMadness 18:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's clear that Nova was, at least during his time as Prime on Cybertron, the Autobot leader. Megatron:Origins establishes that the Autobots pre-date the Great War. Furthermore, if the Auotobot faction didn't exist during Nova's time, then what exactly was the Prime's duty before the creation of the Autobots, and how did the next Prime, Sentinel Prime, come to lead the Autobots? These questions have no canonical answer, as far as I can tell. Perhaps though, the best proof we have that Nova was an Autobot comes from Megatron:Origins #3. We see Sunstreaker and Sideswipe meeting under a statue of Nova Prime, a statue that features a large Autobot insignia at the base.

True, Galvatron, one of the original Ark's crew, mention that he and Nova Prime pre-date factions. In the scene, however, he's looking at a Decepticon emblem. I take that to mean that Jhiaxus, Galvatron, and Nova Prime were all Autobots from an era before rouge factions like the Decepticons.

Regardless, I believe that it was implied and intended that Nova Prime was in fact the Autobot leader of his era. IC79 19:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I think this all turns on the question of whether every Cybertronian was an Autobot up until the Decepticons were formed, or did the Autobots (as a faction) form as a consequence of the Decepticons? Personally, I think Nova Prime was not Autobot leader -- as Prime, he was simply the leader / ruler of Cybertron and its people. To say Cybertronian = Autobot up until Megatron's time is confusing...why even have the term "Autobot" if they are interchangeable? I think the Autobots were the Security Service, or police force, for Cybertron up until the rise of the Decepticons, at which point they became the standing army and counter-faction to Megatron's dissidents.

I'd say that Nova Prime ruled Cybertron in his era, and there may or may not have been a police force called Autobots among the population at that time. I think when Sentinel Prime was called, he pulled an "I'm just a soldier" routine, and instituted the Senate to govern Cybertron in place of the typical "Prime autocracy". This gave Sentinel Prime the opportunity to work with (or maybe found?) the Autobots in order to deal with things on a more physical level, as he likes it. By the time Optimus Prime was called, the Senate had been destroyed and the planet was engaged in civil war, and so he became both political and military leader of all Cybertronians who weren't in Megatron's camp, now collectively referred to as the Autobots.

Still, that's just my take on the situation. We'll have to get some more background on Nova and Sentinels' eras before being 100% sure. --Xaaron 19:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I have some trouble believing that Sentinel Prime instituted the Senate to rule in the place of the Prime. Based on comments he made in issue one and three, he clearly had issues with the Senate over how they dictated policy to him, telling him what to do instead of giving him the resources they needed. -- SFH 21:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree it's contradictory to some extent, but so is some of the information we've been given: how can Sentinel Prime have "personified his era" if he was little more than a police captain in one city-state? Maybe, after the loss of Nova Prime and the collapse of his "expansion" protocols, someone like Omega Supreme instituted the Senate, demoting the rank and relevance of "Prime" by the time Sentinel took up the mantle. --Xaaron 22:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Sentinel Prime was just a police chief from one city. I think the Autobots had always served as Cybertron's police/military force, and Sentinel decided to locate his HQ in Kaon because that's where the trouble was at the time. I also think that it's unfair to say Sentinel didn't personify his era. The only parts of his era we saw were his final days.

Here's how I see it; When planet-wide rule was instituted, the Senate was formed, and the Autobot faction was created as the planet-wide military/police force, lead by a Prime tasked with carrying out and enforcing the laws of the Senate. The third Prime, Nova Prime, believed that the Cybertronian race was destined to control the universe, and set out with the Ark project. In order to get the Senate's approval he played the "it's all for trade and commerce" card, but he and his inner circle all knew it was about spreading Cybertronian influence throughout the universe. We all know what happened next.

And the whole Ark thing confirms, to me at least, that Nova's position was similar to his predecessor Sentinel. The Ark was going on a dangerous mission, to the point where Nova had to leave the Matrix behind. If the mission was that dangerous, I doubt the leader of the planet could have gotten away with taking off himself. If he was simply the leader of the Senate's military (the Autobots), however, then he could have justified his inclusion on the mission. If he dies everything's still ok, because the Matrix is safe on Cybertron, and they can just use it to choose a new Prime. On top of that, losing a military leader is a lot less of a blow then losing the autocrat of the planet.

And finally, I bring up Megatron:Origins #3 again. We see Nova's statue, and it clearly includes an Autobot insignia at the base. We also see a number of other insignia during M:O, one that seems to indicate the Senate and one that seems to indicate Cybertronians in general. So if Nova Prime wasn't an Autobot, it seems odd that they would have included the Autobot emblem on his statue, especially when they had other emblems to choose from. IC79 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

1. None of N-Prime (both as Nova and the colour-inverted Nemesis), IDW-Jhiaxus and IDW-Galvatron have Autobot symbols, and none of those shown on the first Ark in Spotlight:Galvy had Autobot symbols either.
2. By the time of Megatron Origins, things had clearly changed - there was a different ruling system, the Prime clearly had a lot less power, and the Autobot Security Faction had been created. None of this existed in the "time before factions" N-Prime is from.
3. Take off the Autobot categories. - SanityOrMadness 04:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

1. No need to get rude. The fact is, we don't know for sure one way or an other. Nova being/had been an Autobot holds just as much weight as the theory that he isn't/wasn't an Autobot. So obviously people are going to disagree as there's no conclusive answer one way or an other. Not everyone is going to agree with your PoV, and acting condescending to people who's opinions do differ from yours won't change that fact.
2. How exactly do you know that things had changed greatly from the time of Nova Prime to the time of Sentinel Prime? What proof do you have that 1) Nova's job was different from Sentinel's, 2) Nova had greater authority then Sentinel and 3) that the Senate and Autobots only came into being after Nova vanished? Unless you work for IDW, your version of how things went down is just as much conjecture as mine is. We both have our own versions of cannon, and we won't know who's right until more info in reviled....There are ways to discuss stuff like this without coming off like a jerk. Xaaron and I were both discussing the issue, giving our own versions of how we interpret the IDW time line. Neither of us were claiming that our versions were the truth, it's just speculation. As is yours. You think the IDW time line went a certain way, cool. Don't parade your conjecture around as fact though.
3. Why should the Autobot category be removed, other then to comply with your personal version of canon? We know for a fact that Nova Prime preceded Sentinel Prime as "The Prime." With the exception of evil Decepticon clones, Primes have always been Autobots. Yes, Nova has now taken up the "Nemesis Prime" name, but he's still a former Prime, a line that has always been traditionally associated with the Autobots. Besides, the Trivia section mentions the possibility that he may not be an Autobot. So your PoV has been represented in the article....IMO the Autobot category should remain in place until the fiction or writers state that he isn't one.
4. As for faction symbols, that's not conclusive proof. How many toys are there that have the faction symbols applied as an afterthought on a thigh or something? Sometimes the faction symbols are left out because they just don't fit into the robot's design. If that goes for toys, why not for comic illustrations as well? Besides, the "B" cover to Spotlight: Galvatron has him wearing a Decepticon insignia, and we all know that IDW Galvy is definitely not a 'Con. I would guess Autobot insignias were excluded from Nova's ark crew as a way of reminding people that the scenes in question took place before the Great War.

Besides, if Nova Prime WASN'T an Autobot, why the heck would the Autobots include a giant Autobot insignia at the base of his statue? IC79 21:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Because he was a Prime probably. Look, Galvatron confirms that the Ark's crew is pre-faction, there's no faction symbol at all. And since in origins, the Autobot's were just a police force that worked for the government, which Nova predates by a decent amount of time, I think it's safe to say he isn't an Autobot. User:GWolfv2

So Chaos Theory and Shadowplay would seem to indicate that neither Nova nor Nominus Prime were Autobots. Case closed? --Emvee 08:06, 1 December 2012 (EST)

No... the case is back open. The upcoming Nova Prime toy has him with an Autobot insignia on his chest. Bass X0 (talk) 15:29, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

Put a symbol on the page, wait to see what the fiction related to the toy says, put context on his IDW fiction to say he's not an Autobot there. Antimatter (talk) 16:06, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

The Legends game already made Nova/Nemesis an Autobot and a Decepticon. Mimi (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

Nominus Prime predecessor.

Can we change saying Nova came right before Sentinel Prime to Nominus Prime? User:Mojotron

Prime Nova

I know Nova Prime is a unique character to the IDW continuity and probably has no relation to Prime Nova, but considering that Prime Nova is a character we know so little about (I mean look at the page, he wasn't named in the cartoon and the comic names him by "process of elmination", in my opinion he's hardly a character) couldn't we just merge the two pages considering the both exist in the G1 continuity family in seperate continuities (Nova Prime is the IDW counterpart to Prime Nova type of deal)? Just for the heck of it?Transfan 1992 (talk) 17:29, 8 January 2015 (EST)

I would agree. If all the IDW characters share the same page as their G1 Sunbow/Marvel selves, then why can't Nova Prime? I don't think the reversal of the words in his name is enough to make him a completely different character. Or, if it is, can someone make a note on the page saying why the two shouldn't be considered the same character? Bass X0 (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2015 (EDT)