Talk:Outpost D-109

Planet New?

That caption is probably not intended to suggest the planet's name is "New". On the other hand, I scraped names out of thinner stuff back when I was working on Who's Who: Handbook of the Amalgam Universe, so I'm not going to carp. JW 10:15, 19 February 2011 (EST)

I don't think there's any possible way to read that caption in a way that "New" is not the name of the planet and have it make sense. I've opened up the comic and there's no context surrounding the panel that suggests an alternative. --ItsWalky 10:37, 19 February 2011 (EST)

I at first though it was the adjective "new", though I thought it was placed in the sentence awkwardly. Then I found some pages requesting "New" and upon rereading it, yeah, there's no way it can not be the planet's name (though, don't ask me who would have named it). Geewunling 11:51, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Hmm. If it was "New, teeming with potential life, this world is on the brink of existence," then "new" would clearly be an adjective. The problem is that the bit of the sentence after the em-dash has no verb, which means "teeming" has to be the verb, which means, yah, the only way to diagram the sentence is to have "New" be the subject.

What I suspect really happened is Furman intended "new" to be an adjective, put together a non-sentence by accident, and we're being excessively literal here. But, like I said, I can go with it. JW 14:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)

This is the most wiki-ridiculous thing I've seen in a while. It's a misplaced comma. The planet is not called New. The planet is new, teeming with potential life, etc. -hx 22:49, 19 February 2011 (EST)

If you remove the comma, the sentence makes less sense. --ItsWalky 22:51, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Indeed, but the point is still that it refers to the planet's status. It is new, it is teeming with potential life, etc. etc. etc. --Detour 22:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)

You know what I mean Walky, and you guys are totally just being obstinate. Normally I'm down with that, but this isn't even funny a la Big Green Fire Snorting Lizard, it's just kind of, you know. Dumb, teeming with autistic life - etc. -hx 22:55, 19 February 2011 (EST)

I'm just not sure how in what way a planet that's old enough to have an atmosphere and friggin' plants growing on it is supposed to be considered "new." That's a few billion years, man. I guess I'm just taking for granted that Simon Furman isn't dumb. --ItsWalky 23:21, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Metaphorically new. "A world on the very brink of existence." The caption clearly isn't literal. Plants aren't "potential life" after all. --KilMichaelMcC 00:29, 20 February 2011 (EST)

This sounds like something I would come up with. There seems to be some kind of typo. Maybe "New" was supposed to go in the box before it. Optimus Prime: "In an instant, I am stripped bare, cast helpless through space and time. The years run through my fingers like sand. Creation. Life. Death. Colliding, Meshing! I go beyond and am re-born new!" Regardless. It says what it says... the planet is named "New." - Starfield 00:50, 20 February 2011 (EST)

I'm thinking less "New" is the name of the planet and more like that narration box needed a friggin' editor. --ItsWalky 01:43, 20 February 2011 (EST)

It's less an editorial thing and more a product of its time, methinks. After all, if the art and body count weren't enough clue... the Generation 2 comics were really riding the Dark Age bandwagon of Youngblood-esque imitation of Frank Miller works. Which involved heavily fragmented sentences in the narration boxes. --Detour 02:32, 20 February 2011 (EST)

Since opinions are a bit divided, how about we just take what we got at face value and add a note? Geewunling 02:36, 20 February 2011 (EST)

P.S., Hooper X, I take offense at that last sentence of yours. Geewunling 02:36, 20 February 2011 (EST)

Even better idea. Simon Furman has a blog. Let's just go over there and ask him, and when he laughs in your face and says "are you kidding me?", we can consider it resolved. -hx 09:17, 20 February 2011 (EST)

ps ok bro -hx 09:17, 20 February 2011 (EST)

Simon Furman is the guy who said that "Life Spark" is the name of a specific dude and not a common noun. That's pretty much the exact situation we're in right now. --ItsWalky 09:38, 20 February 2011 (EST)

It's only the same situation insofar as Furman misread what someone else wrote and assumed it was a proper noun, and a wiki user misread what Simon Furman wrote and assumed it was a proper noun. -hx 14:23, 20 February 2011 (EST)

Also, we could just say "the hell with it" and move it to Outpost D-109. But that would be too easy. -hx 14:26, 20 February 2011 (EST)

That's what gets me about this, I could see having the article at New if there were no other available designation but there is one. Arguing in favor of what is obviously a typo over D-109 just strikes me as being willfully obtuse. --Khajidha 14:40, 20 February 2011 (EST)

As far as I can tell, even the people who have been positive about "Planet New" acknowledge that it was most likely a typo. So I say we move the article to "Outpost D-109" and put the "New" business in a Note. Any objections? - Jackpot 03:08, 24 February 2011 (EST)

I don't understand why asking Furman on this is such a silly idea to you, Walky. And yeah, like Hx said... this isn't exactly the same situation as the Life Spark thing, since the Life Spark thing involved Furman misreading someone else's writing, and "New" here is about some of us misreading Furman's writing. --Detour 14:44, 20 February 2011 (EST)

At no point did I say it was silly. You guys do with this page as you wish. It's not worth trying to argue over the subject AND the content of my own responses. --ItsWalky 15:14, 20 February 2011 (EST)