Talk:Power Core Combiners

Franchise or not?

Unless its a "franchise" sort of page specifically about realworld stuff, isn't our general mandate to write In-universe about the fiction first and make the out-of-universe stuff kind of secondary info under toys/trivia. Power Core Combiners are very much an In Fiction concept. I think this page, as it is right now is much too Out-of-Universe focused. Especially the intro wich should probably mostly go under "Toys". It talks about toyline issues first and blows off fiction almost entirely to be adressed in other articles, when I think it belongs here more. Fixing things seems a big enough revision that I wanted to check if others felt the same before revising it all. --ZacWilliam 07:34, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

I think this was intended as a "franchise" page (or even a toyline page) when it was first made. The fictional concept does deserve a good work up, but it may belong on another page. However, since according to the intro this toyline is part of the larger TF2010 toyline shouldn't it be merged there? --Khajidha 07:39, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Yeah this is written like a franchise page. But Power Core Combiners are an In-Fiction thing. Which means either we need 2 pages, something like: [[Power Core Combiner (franchise)]] and [[Power Core Combiner (technology)]] or this one needs to be revised to be about in-universe stuff first and toyline concerns second. --ZacWilliam 07:50, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

There is a Power Core Combination page that covers the fiction. --Khajidha 08:24, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

But that's wrong. We don't cover Powermaster fiction only under [[Powermaster Binary-bonding Combination]] or something like that. We cover it under the regular old Powermasters page because that's where it belong and thats what folks are going to look up. Likewise Power Core Combiner fiction needs to be covered under Power Core Combiners not some wierd secondary page. No other TF combination type is covered that way as far as I know. --ZacWilliam 08:47, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

As long as we're saying things like "Bombshock is a Decepticon Commander from Power Core Combiners," we need to have an out-of-universe "Power Core Combiners" franchise/toyline/whatever page to link to. In fact, even look at the "Bombshock" and "Commander" links - they have "(PCC)" disambigs. We could change all of that to Transformers (2010 toyline)... but do we actually want to? At the moment, the PCC brand seems to be a more self-contained, independent entity than Powermasters ever were. - Jackpot 16:14, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

I just don't see it standing on its own as a franchise. A subline imprint, yes; a franchise, no. It seems much more like The Powerlinx Battles to me. --Khajidha 16:20, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

In visual presentation, that's true. Unlike most (all?) other franchises, "Power Core Combiners" isn't written as a subtitle to "Transformers" - it's down at the bottom or in a corner of the package, like Powerlinx Battles or The Unicron Battles. I think that if the 2010 Transformers were a more cohesive franchise, we might have an easier time folding PCC into it. But because 2010-TF is so nebulous, its sublines have more weight unto themselves. PCC has its own little storyline, and I don't think Hasbro has made any effort to explicitly relate it to anything else going on in 2010-TF, so I can see why we've treated it separately so far. (Like I said elsewhere, I'm not personally married to doing it this way, but I see no particular need to change things up either.) - Jackpot 16:39, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

New figures

Some new pcc figures have ben found in Walmarts system.[1] sHOULD THEY BE ADDED?

Names presented in datagases like that are sometimes not final or are spelled wrong, so I'd hold off until we have better confirmation. --ItsWalky 21:22, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

Different type of Powerlinx port?

I don't have any of the toys myself to examine, but I've seen vague statements online about the PCC Mini-Cons being incompatible with traditional Powerlinx ports. What's the skinny on this? - Jackpot 15:11, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Almost, but not entirely, untrue. If you want to be pedantic about it, Backwind isn't fully backward compatible because he just has a plain 5mm peghole, not a Powerlinx port, so he can't trigger Powerlinx gimmicks. Similarly, the peg in the middle of Chopster's port doesn't extend as far as the ones on previous Mini-Cons, so it's a toss-up whether he can activate the gimmicks. But in terms of just being able to attach to ports, you can switch them around no problem. --Andrusi 22:08, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

"Thirty two prototyped toys"

Since I'm sure someone will add that note again, I'd like to point out that between the various known unique molds in the PCC line, there's 10 Commanders, 6 Minicons, and 16 drones. That's 32 toys total. They're compatible with each other in a large number of combinations, just not I'll simultaneously. I'm not sure where the original quote came from, but it's possible it had some basis in fact and was severely misinterpreted. - Cattleprod 23:19, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

No. It was from a poster who's known for years for totally making rediculous scrap up, to the point where it's an ongoing joke for some folks, and taken in context of the rest of his original post, which described toys that are NOTHING like PCCs actually are, it's clear made-up garbage and doesn't belong here. --ZacWilliam 07:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

I knew the note itself was still complete nonsense, hence the part about it being 'severely misinterpreted' at best. It still managed to guess the exact number of confirmed unique molds, which raised some questions for me. - Cattleprod 16:37, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

I apologize for including a rumor.  :( I shall be more attentive.--82.168.81.43 09:27, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

Fiction

The fiction section here doesn't seem to be in our style at all. It's all outta universe commentary and is talking about the fiction in a removed way without describing in any real detail what the fiction acctually says. Is the PCC stuff from the fan club past its spoiler date by now? If so, I don't have it but it'd be great if someone who does could actually add it in, and move the commentary to a note or something. --ZacWilliam 09:42, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

This stems from the same source as your previous discussion: this page is set up as a franchise page for the real world toyline, the in-fiction elements are at Power Core Combination. Admittedly the fiction section there isn't the greatest either, but as things are now that's where what you are asking for goes. --Khajidha 11:56, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

Grimstone Question

Anyone from the Chinese section of the fandom hear what the designers said about Grimstone and his drones, if anything? It's too early for a page, clearly, but whenever it happens, I want to know if they were intentionally designed as a nod to the Dinoforce shells or if that's just a coincidence and I'm reading too much into it.--MCRG 11:57, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

The pictures I've seen seem to show Grimstone as a Styracosaurus, and his drones as a Pachycephalosaurus, a Parasaurolophus, an Ankylosaurus and a Dimetrodon (NOT A DINOSAUR!); while Dinoforce includes a Tyrannosaurus, a Stegosaurus, a Triceratops, a "Brontosaurus" an Ankylosaurus and a Pteranodon (also not a dinosaur) so I'm not really seeing the parallel. --Khajidha 12:22, 9 September 2010 (EDT)

Story on packaging; link to picture dead

Where should that on-package story be? The Bombshock I have doesn't seem to have any story. Also, the link is dead/useless.--Cyberman 12:13, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

"Power Core Combiners are a subline..."

Power Core Combiners is a subline within the 2010 Transformers toyline.

Is this a fair assessment? The PCC toys have red cards like the Generations figures rather than gold cards like the 2010 items. Seems like the sentence should be taken out.

Though, looking between unopened examples of Generations, Power Core and gold card items right in front of me, it occurs to me that they all have the exact same packaging designs (down to their circuit pattern bubbles), just with different colors and with slightly different background elements between red and gold releases... which almost makes it seem like PCC and Generations should both be considered sublines of the more omnipresent gold line, but I'm not seriously suggesting the wiki use that approach. However, with the current viewpoint, if Generations isn't considered part of the 2010 toyline, I don't see why PCC should be.

Man, this is all so much fuzzier than the distinctions between previous simultaneous lines (2003 Universe/Energon or 2008 Universe/Animated)... --Monzo 01:59, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

HOWever, the logo on TOP of the packaging says "Transformers Generations". PCCs and HFTD only have "Transformers", with "Power Core Combiners" and "Hunt for the Decepticons" as separate logos elsewhere on the packaging.--Nevermore 06:34, 7 November 2010 (EST)

Spastic? Seriously?

They're naming a toy Spastic? That'll be a fun page to write. "Stand back, Erector and Discharge! We have a new most-unfortunate name!" JW 06:57, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Formatting dronge set pages

Asking this here because it applies to all of them. On the pages for each group of drones is there a standard way of listing them? Alphabetically? In anatomical right-left, arm-leg order? I was thinking of doing some work on Constructicon (PCC), Dinobot (PCC) and Stunticon (PCC) to make them more like the other group pages. There is some variance amongst the other pages and was wondering if they were supposed to be standardized and (if so) what that standard is. --Khajidha 15:38, 8 March 2011 (EST)