Talk:Primax 787.3 Alpha
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[edit]Can this continuity be retconned to include 2010 happening in a different year than the US cartoon continuity Primax 984. Alpha?
- Retconned? --ItsWalky 23:13, 6 February 2012 (EST)
- Reconciled, presumably. -Derik 03:10, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- I'm not sure I understand the question. This universe would be an offshoot of the 2010 series (presumably "Primax 1186.14 Alpha"), so it would have those events occur in 2010. —Interrobang 03:53, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- But this is one of those weird examples where usage of the universal stream terminology goes awry. We often THINK of Headmasters as being where the Japanese continuity "begins", so I presume when Trent and Sipher used it (guys? speak up!) that was their intended meaning - that this was the identifier of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, encompassing all the piles of other stuff that's in it. But Japanese cartoon continuity really starts either with Scramble City or even the SRLF manga, those begin the earliest exclusive new stories taking place in that continuity that established it as a separate thing from the American cartoon continutiy. So what is Primax 787.3 Alpha? Some kind of separate universe again from the J-G1 cartoon continuity? Ichikawa did this at times in the Alternity fiction took - off the top of my head I remember he labelled the Kiss Players radio play with it's own identifier when again, it's part of the J-G1 timeline. It's a tricky matter, this stream stuff. - Chris McFeely 09:54, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Maybe one timeline can encompass multiple streams. Perhaps the streams are interconnected with each other in a massive network that spans reality upon reality, and each splinter timeline (such as those that branch off from Marvel G1), marks a fork in the stream network, enabling time to venture forward into multiple paths and directions. This would also enable both the Japanese dub of "The Rebirth" and The Headmasters cartoon to both exist after the FSRLTF 2010 cartoon without one necessarily overriding the other, as they would just be two branching paths for history to take. Two streams branching off from the same originating stream. --Sabrblade 11:27, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- This. There is no reasons streams can't diverge and then reconnect.--Jimsorenson 11:41, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Yes. Universal streams are not a bunch of isolated straight lines of time. They split and branch constantly and can even re-connect or briefly merge with otherwise unrelated streams (it's kind of our hand-waving explanation for the recent TF-vs-Marvel crossover.) The outdated graph I made that shows up on the continuity page is... perhaps not the most accurate example, but it WAS part of the genesis of the whole concept, and when we're talking timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly, quantum crap, well. --M Sipher 04:54, 8 February 2012 (EST)
- This. There is no reasons streams can't diverge and then reconnect.--Jimsorenson 11:41, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Technically, Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers would be a different universal stream than The Transformers. We actually already have one official example of Japanese-English divergence: Aurex 103.10 Alpha and Aurex 802.23 Alpha. —Interrobang 15:32, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Not trying to sound smart, but I was under the impression that FSRLTF and The English G1 cartoon being separate streams went without saying. And that any new dub audio track resulted in a new universal stream. Like, even that the Omni dubs of JG1 each existed in their own isolated streams from the original Japanese versions. --Sabrblade 20:37, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- I was replying to Chris's statement that Scramble City would be where JG1 "diverged" from English G1. I also would think that any new series would entail its own stream, if only as a precaution against further divergences, such as Marvel having multiple ones that all ignore each other. —Interrobang 20:51, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- I'm not so sure. I don't think, for example, the new IDW ongoing series get their own universal streams. Not until and unless some series comes along that specifically, say, diverges after a specific point. If, say, Furman were to write a series that takes place in a universe where All Hail Megatron never happened, for instance, then we might make a new stream there. Otherwise, probably not. Agreed that new dubs get new universe streams.--Jimsorenson 21:10, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Well, like I said before, one timeline can probably have multiple streams in it. I could see IDW G1 as being either one long gigantic stream or multiple interconnected streams forming a single line like links on a chain. Even if there's no divergence, there can still very well be more than one stream in a single timeline. Using the original Japanese G1 cartoons example, FSRLTF, 2010, The Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, etc. all form single, (mostly) coherent timeline, but each individual series can be its own stream linked together with each other in a long chain. Primax 785.6 Alpha --> Primax 1186.14 Alpha --> Primax 787.3 Alpha --> Primax 488.12 Alpha --> Primax 389.14 Alpha --> and so on and so forth. One timeline, many streams. --Sabrblade 21:23, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Well, I'm purely basing that statement on the similar situation of the US and UK Marvel comics, where the UK gets its identifier from the publication date of the first story unique to that continuity. (But now I've just remembered that's that's not a universal stream thing, that's Marvel's Earth number for it.) - Chris McFeely 03:59, 8 February 2012 (EST)
- I'm not so sure. I don't think, for example, the new IDW ongoing series get their own universal streams. Not until and unless some series comes along that specifically, say, diverges after a specific point. If, say, Furman were to write a series that takes place in a universe where All Hail Megatron never happened, for instance, then we might make a new stream there. Otherwise, probably not. Agreed that new dubs get new universe streams.--Jimsorenson 21:10, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- I was replying to Chris's statement that Scramble City would be where JG1 "diverged" from English G1. I also would think that any new series would entail its own stream, if only as a precaution against further divergences, such as Marvel having multiple ones that all ignore each other. —Interrobang 20:51, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Not trying to sound smart, but I was under the impression that FSRLTF and The English G1 cartoon being separate streams went without saying. And that any new dub audio track resulted in a new universal stream. Like, even that the Omni dubs of JG1 each existed in their own isolated streams from the original Japanese versions. --Sabrblade 20:37, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Maybe one timeline can encompass multiple streams. Perhaps the streams are interconnected with each other in a massive network that spans reality upon reality, and each splinter timeline (such as those that branch off from Marvel G1), marks a fork in the stream network, enabling time to venture forward into multiple paths and directions. This would also enable both the Japanese dub of "The Rebirth" and The Headmasters cartoon to both exist after the FSRLTF 2010 cartoon without one necessarily overriding the other, as they would just be two branching paths for history to take. Two streams branching off from the same originating stream. --Sabrblade 11:27, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- But this is one of those weird examples where usage of the universal stream terminology goes awry. We often THINK of Headmasters as being where the Japanese continuity "begins", so I presume when Trent and Sipher used it (guys? speak up!) that was their intended meaning - that this was the identifier of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity, encompassing all the piles of other stuff that's in it. But Japanese cartoon continuity really starts either with Scramble City or even the SRLF manga, those begin the earliest exclusive new stories taking place in that continuity that established it as a separate thing from the American cartoon continutiy. So what is Primax 787.3 Alpha? Some kind of separate universe again from the J-G1 cartoon continuity? Ichikawa did this at times in the Alternity fiction took - off the top of my head I remember he labelled the Kiss Players radio play with it's own identifier when again, it's part of the J-G1 timeline. It's a tricky matter, this stream stuff. - Chris McFeely 09:54, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- I'm not sure I understand the question. This universe would be an offshoot of the 2010 series (presumably "Primax 1186.14 Alpha"), so it would have those events occur in 2010. —Interrobang 03:53, 7 February 2012 (EST)
- Reconciled, presumably. -Derik 03:10, 7 February 2012 (EST)
Splinter timeline status
[edit]Although it has not been explicitly stated, do we have enough evidence to declare on this page that Primax 787.3 Alpha is a tangent timeline to OG World/Primax 785.06 Alpha? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 13:20, 5 July 2015 (EDT)
Seibertron
[edit]The thing about MegaZarak is that it's used to indicate Scorponok bonded with his transtector, which does not really have an English equivalent, unless we want to rename JG1 Scorponok to Zarak. Seibertron, on the other hand, has been officially romanized as Cybertron and it's also a direct equivalent. Saix (talk) 19:35, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
