Talk:Punch (G1)

Mosaic

This seems as good a place to ask as any: How will this site treat the Mosaic pieces published by IDW in their comics? I ask here because, while "Rain" and "Reason" are relatively timeless character pieces, "Ghost in the Machine" actually provided new information in the form of an "origin" for Punch / Counterpunch, something which hasn't been addressed in his other limited appearances in fiction. It's interesting, I think worth putting on his page...if it counts as canon.

So...do published Mosaic pieces have as much continuity value as the fan-art occasionally seen on the Marvel Comics letter pages, or might they be "official" enough to count as micro-canons and therefore referenced on the Wiki? --Xaaron 01:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the disclaimer printed beneath them, claiming no affiliation with IDW or Hasbro, makes them fan-art. - RolonBolon 01:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

But we're counting Hail and Farewell as official, because it's written by Furman and he said so. Are we going to pick and choose which Mosiacs are 'official' and which are merely 'officially published fanart'? --FFN 02:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hail and Farewell was a very unique case where the first and foremost writer of the IDW Universe happened to make a Mosaic and said it was in-canon. It's not really "picking and choosing" when there's just one clearly special exception. Now, I could see an argument for Hail and Farewell only being as official as Alignment (i.e. Not), but either way Ghost in the Machine and the other Mosaics would still be unofficial. --Xaaron 03:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"Hail and Farewell" is murky ground. It's only been published in Furman's blog thus far, right? I think if it actually showed up printed in a comic AND carried the same disclaimer as the other Mosaics, we'd probably have to treat it as non-canon as well. --KilMichaelMcC 03:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd assumed we were taking the Mosaics disclaimer as seriously as the 'these stories don't count' notice in Legends, (read: not at all) and treating it like the 'lil formers or Microwhosits strips-- "the ones that make it into an official publication are real, the ones that don't aren't." There is some active choices being made on TDW's part after all- they're not going the choose to publish a strip about Death's Head, even though IIRC such a Mosaic is in the pipeline. "We cannot tell an 'official' story about Death's Head, because we don't own him." Unlike the general body of Mosaic strips, which are fanworks- these have to be vetted- Hasbro's not going to let them go to print with a strip where, say, Optimus Prime makes a deal with Satan (to pick a random example of something no major media company would want one of their characters seen doing.) There is some filtering process taking place on an official level with decisions being made. prior to publication. -Derik 06:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You make some good points, but the fact that the printed Mosaics are required to carry a "These stories are not affliated with Hasbro" disclaimer makes their status as non-canon pretty clear, to me at least. That's much stronger and clear-cut wording than the notice in Legends, I think. --KilMichaelMcC 14:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Move somehow?

Seeing as how there's a Punch (Shattered Glass), I think this probably needs to go to "Punch (G1)" and have "Punch" change to a redirect to that, for consistency's sake. Could an admin delete the "Punch (G1)" redirect and move this page over, if that's the case? --Jeysie 10:36, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks Chris! --Jeysie 10:48, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

De nada. - Chris McFeely 10:56, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Correct Punch Mode?

I'm not completely following the "intended robot mode" leg thing in the toy description. Does someone have pictures of what it's talking about? --76.28.72.27 07:38, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

Right here. --Detour 12:52, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

1800 Units (club toy)

Although this number can be deduced from numbers released by FP personnel, I don't know that it's been made official yet. As such, I question whether it's appropriate to be included as a "fact" here.--G.B. Blackrock 18:36, 21 June 2010 (EDT)

Power of the Primes Shoulder fix

Is the ”misassembled shoulder joints” on the Power of the Primes figure officially a misassembly, or have fans just decided they like it better that way?

I've got to say that the shoulder looks better with the rounded part on top even if the other way lets the arms fit better in alt mode.

Sarpiedon (talk) 21:45, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

The transformation doesn't work properly with the toy misassembled as in package, and the renders in the instructions, which are straight from the designers' files, show the shoulders flat-side up. Evidently not everyone feels that it's necessary, but the fix is unquestionably restoring the intended construction. -LV (talk) 23:48, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

headmasters

I remember a while ago in the trivia, it said something about his animation model(s, four of them!) for the American cartoon and headmasters being different, I feel it should be added again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by YourBestPal (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Well, it's quite obvious from the pictures. --notirishman (talk) 22:32, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Yes, but not everyone will notice, and if we can find both of the animation models I think there needs to be a comparison in the trivia section.YourBestPal (talk) 08:55, 21 December 2018 (EST)

Prime Armor

"he comes with Prime Armor (identical to the one included with Jazz)"

It's not identical. Same mold, but Jazz's is molded in black, while Punch's is instead dark gray. Tbb033 (talk) 13:37, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Can you change it? Minor things like this usually don't need a talk page section, by the way, you can just edit it. --notirishman (talk) 13:48, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Car Mode

I think that the model currently described as car mode for POTP and Earthrise Counterpunch does not fit well. I think the car is probably closer to a Cadillac Cien (with the grid substituted by a full black area) or a very similar Cadillac of the same period. --CAT-X (talk) 08:03, 30 October 2021 (EDT)

RG1/84

I mean, if Furman intends for them to be the same timeline, shouldn't they just be put under the same headers? Otherwise, I think it's dishonest to put something that came out later, even if it chronologically goes first. Escargon (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2022 (EST)

I think they should be under the same header, yeah. They're clearly both part of this modern train of thought with Marvel G1 Furman had. Saix (talk) 14:20, 15 February 2022 (EST)