Talk:Razorclaw (Universe)

Wait, which is the more accurate quote: "Know that my name is Razorclaw" or "Know I am Razorclaw"? —Interrobang 07:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"Know that I am Razorclaw, that my reality is not yours, and while I share Tigerhawk's dual spark and Vok heritage... I am not he!"

Incidentally, the article is misleading. He only gave that speech to the first group of Maximals. All he said to Primal was, "The name... is Razorclaw!" But I don't have the energy to change it tonight. Anybody else wants to, be my guest. - Jackpot 07:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Fugly

Mostly my opinion of the decos on early waves of Universe, mind you.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I hear black and purple is pretty neon, myself! --ItsWalky 01:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Tiger vs. Panther

Is there any canon stating either way? Also, if it is to be changed; changing one instance and leaving several others is confusing.Khajidha 11:51, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

I just want us to be accurate. There are no all black tigers. Panthers are leopards or jaguars that have a lot of extra pigment and are mostly or completely black. If Razorclaw had stripes of ANY color it would be okay, but he has no stripes at all. --Cliffjumper prime 12:02, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Actually, while very, very rare, black tigers have appeared in historical record. Similar cause as melanistic leopards, but they do happen. Also blue tigers. USer:Eire 16.09 Mar 23 2010

I look at it like the difference between Battle Cat and Panthor... same mold, but one's a tiger and one's a panther. --Cliffjumper prime 12:06, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

But, he does refer to himself as an alternate Tigerhawk. Which may suggest that was his original name prior to Heraldisation. Which would mean he was always a black tiger/hawk fuzor (although Airrazor's a falcon) or the working for Unicron changed his colours USer:Eire 16.14 Mar 23 2010

Or that Unicron changed more than his colors. Khajidha 12:11, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

I just don't want us to all look ignorant to a newcomer who doesn't know about a retcon technicality. perhaps this should be made clear in his trivia/notes. --Cliffjumper prime 12:13, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Panther is used for melanistic leopards and jaguars, but I'm not sure if it is used for melanistic tigers. You are either assuming that the word is so used or assuming that the species was changed for this character (like Cheetor/Tigatron). I really don't care either way, but want there to be concrete evidence (actual dictionary meaning, canon, something...) to back it up. As for your point about Battle Cat/Panthor, those were explicitly mentioned as being those species. Khajidha 12:21, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

I just don't see why this has to be a whole big discussion. You ask anyone what kind of animal he is, they'll say panther/hawk. but whatever. --Cliffjumper prime 12:26, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

It's not. Similar to how albino or "sport" tigers are referred to as white tigers, melanistics were just called black. I suppose it's because the black alters the overall look of a leopard or jaguar enough for it to look like a separate animal. Tigers always look like tigers. Very distinctive heards. The only other use of panther I know of refers to pumas USer:Eire 16.31 Mar 23 2010

Also, panthers still retain the original markings since they are imprinted on the skin. Show up under close inspection or om bright light. So you'd still be able to see the stripes on a black tiger USer:Eire 16.34 Mar 23 2010

Eire said it best earlier: He's an alternate-universe Tigerhawk. Which means he's still part Tigatron and part Airazor. Which means in spite of his black deco, he's still a winged tiger. --Detour 13:58, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Dear fucking God.
We are talking about an ALIEN BIOMECHANICAL CREATURE who was put through Unicron's recolor-o-matic. There are no burgundy gorillas or purple wolves/eagles or purple spiders either in real life, but OH LOOK HAY. --M Sipher 14:18, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Razorclaw made the "Dirty Dozen" bad toy list back in 2004

Probably a completely forgotten parent group called "The Lion & The Lamb Project" had Universe Razorclaw and the Beast Wars video games on the list of toys NOT good for pre-schoolers. Not sure if this is notable, but it's neat. http://www.lionlamb.org/dirtydozen2004.htm 198.111.56.66 20:10, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

Retooled Missiles

The toy description says the missiles are "slightly retooled". In what way? --Tigerpaw28 (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2013 (EST)

Nonbinary Razorclaw

This was discussed on the discord last week a while after the nonbinary category being created, due to Tigerhawk being nonbinary. Why was this contested Thylacine 2000?

Forgot to sign Causeway (talk) 22:48, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

Because while Razorclaw shares Tigerhawk's dual spark and Vok heritage, he is not him. We know nothing about Razorclaw's background or internal identity, and should not presume similarities onto him when the whole point of his existence is to be kind of like Tigerhawk but not quite. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 23:12, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

I'm inclined to agree with Thy on this. Razorclaw isn't Tigerhawk. He's a different character with different experiences and different perspectives, from a different universe. There's nothing in-fiction to justify Razorclaw being nonbinary. I understand the intent of showcasing the wide spectrum of gender identity in Transformers, and I think that's a good goal, but applying it here doesn't feel honest to me. Spectre (talk) 00:00, 18 March 2023 (EDT)

Wasn't he Tigerhawk at some point, thought? IDK why becoming Razorclaw would change his gender. Iacon0 (talk) 23:53, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

for reference, here is a scan of Razorclaw's 3H profile printed in Universe #1. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 00:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)